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RAW

The SmarK RAW Rant - July 11 2005

- Live from New Jersey

- Your hosts are JR, Coach and King.

- We open with Carlito's Cabana, and his guest is going to be that no good, filthy traitor Shawn Michaels.  However, Chris Jericho answers the call instead and demands to do the interview, so Carlito offers him an apple and blows him off.  Yes, the talk show wars are on.  Love handles are NOT cool, says Carlito.  Chris retorts with "Sideshow Bob", thus showing that he's pulling out the big guns. Finally, instead of Shawn, we get Roddy Piper, as I guess only someone truly insane could ask the tough questions of Shawn tonight.

- Chris Masters v. Tajiri.  Tajiri tries kicks to counter the power moves, controlling much of the match as a result.  The Tarantula is countered with the Masterlock, however, and it's over.  (Masters d. Tajiri, full nelson --> submission, 3:10, *)

- Meanwhile, Edge & Snitsky laugh about the wedding videos, and they add yet another disgusting layer to Snitsky's character by revealing his foot fetish, as Edge bribes him with Lita's toes.  Now there's a plot development we didn't need.

- Intercontinental title:  Carlito v. Shelton Benjamin.  JR wonders if Carlito can beat Shelton in a "straight-up, one-on-one wrestling match", which makes me wonder what the FIRST two victories were.  Shelton controls, but falls victim to a particularly devastating ad break.  Carlito uses his dizzying array of chinlocks to keep control as this thing drags on and on.  Shelton comes back for some near-falls with the usual stuff that never gets a pin, and then kicks out of Carlito's dreaded handful-of-tights-rollup finisher.  Carlito gets fixated on the belt, however, and walks out to retain.  It was getting pretty watchable and then fell apart near the "finish".  (Benjamin d. Carlito, COR, 14:25, **)

- And now, the champ is here.  That's the most self-evident catchphrase I've heard in a while.  Crowd isn't too much with him, either.  Apparently Uncle Eric dislikes him, because he's a loose cannon who plays by his own rules and has a problem with blah blah blah.  The upshot of this is Cena v. Jericho at Summerslam, and Eric eats an FU for his troubles.  Cena was just not feeling it at all this week.

- This week's Diva Search Challenge:  Who can make me fast-forward the quickest?  They're all winners this week!

- And now, the Kurt Angle Invitational moves to RAW, as his first victim is Matt Striker, the teacher fired for calling in "sick" to wrestle.  It's funny that someone fired from his last job for being a publicly exposed liar would fit in so well in the WWE.

- Kurt Angle v. Matt Striker.  3:00 time limit, if Striker makes it he wins the gold medals.  Total squash, as you'd imagine, until Kurt goes for the anklelock and gets shoved into the post, knocking himself out.  Striker goes low with 10 seconds left to really build tension, but Angle snaps off the heel hook for the submission.  I gotta admit, they had me almost believing for a second there.  (Angle d. Striker, heel hook --> submission, 2:59, *1/2)

- Meanwhile, the standard shot of Edge walking is interrupted by...Matt Hardy?  Well, there goes my chance to get him to endorse the new book.

- The Boogeyman is coming.  I guess since OVW has dried up, Vince is searching under his bed for new talent now.

- Edge v. Kane.  Nothing happening match rushed to the non-finish, as Snitsky draws the DQ.  (Kane d. Edge, DQ, 2:00, DUD).  The big story is that Matt Hardy hits the ring and attacks afterwards, drawing the biggest babyface reaction and biggest star reaction he's had in years.  He grabs the mic and tells Edge that he's dead, Lita that she's a whore, and the WWE in general that they can kiss his ass and he gets as far as plugging Ring of Honor (I think) before the road agents tackle him and drag him out in handcuffs.  The camera stayed on him too long for it to be anything but a total angle, but this is exactly the kind of edgy (pardon the pun) storyline that the program has been desperately lacking for years now.  ROH is no threat anyway, why not do a thing where he plugs their shows and works for them as a "loose cannon" type character, ala Brian Pillman?

- And the main event interview is Shawn Michaels on Piper's Pit, as Piper asks him "why?" and then steps aside.  Hard hitting journalism there Roddy.  Shawn explains that he does everything for the fans, and because they wanted "one more match" out of Hogan, he knew the only way to guarantee it was to sacrifice himself yet again and make it happen.  And then, slyly, he slips in the "Showstoppa / Main event / Icon" spiel to let us know his REAL motivation for challenging Hogan.  Piper calls him full of crap and a coward, so Shawn superkicks him and acts all pensive again, end of show.

The Good:

- Thank god for the Matt Hardy angle, because it finally gives me something to sink my teeth into as a fan and makes me want to watch and see what happens next.  That's a feeling that's been lacking for a long time.

- The Shawn Michaels turn, while not interesting in terms of the match it will generate, provides a much more interesting character for HBK than the stale babyface he's been playing for 3 years now, and if he can mix in enough of the arrogant 97 main event heel with his new introspective "aw shucks" persona, he might have something.

- Good job in striking while the iron is hot with Matt Striker, and if he sticks around and makes a few bucks off it before heading back to teaching again, even better.

- Aside from the Diva search, the show had a good flow to it and kept me watching for the whole thing.

The Bad:

- Big Show is already missing in action after two weeks on the show, and really does anyone care?   It just goes to show what a worthless move that was.  Ditto for the tag champions, who haven't wrestled on RAW in what seems like an eternity and would have been better off had they just moved them to Smackdown and dumped the tag titles entirely.

- Three "talk shows" on RAW is massive overkill, especially when two of them involve guys who are active wrestlers and should be doing something more interesting.

- Carlito v. Benjamin is not the kind of feud to carry multiple PPVs, and they need to move Shelton up to something bigger before he becomes lost in the shuffle again for good.
The Inside Pulse:

A fairly entertaining show with a bombshell surprise angle carrying the weight this week, which hopefully means they're finding their focus again leading into Summerslam.  And they've even got two matches announced already!  Good job this week overall.  




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[info]bradleyrk
2005-07-12 07:47 am UTC (link)
- The Shawn Michaels turn, while not interesting in terms of the match it will generate, provides a much more interesting character for HBK than the stale babyface he's been playing for 3 years now, and if he can mix in enough of the arrogant 97 main event heel with his new introspective "aw shucks" persona, he might have something.

- Good job in striking while the iron is hot with Matt Striker, and if he sticks around and makes a few bucks off it before heading back to teaching again, even better.


Well said! I agree whole-heartedly. I actually thought Tajiri vs Masters was exactly what it should have been in my opinion, Tajiri was wrestling smarter and better than Masters until being trapped in the unbreakable Masterlock. THAT is far more effective to get the move over in my opinion than a squash ending in the Masterlock. Felt it and Carlito vs. Benjamin were both fine, fine TV matches.

The diva search was an insepid as ever but felt shorter this week, maybe because the rest of the show didn't suck. Really popped for Hardy's return and Piper's cameos.

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Whew...it's 2:45 am, and I'm still looking for updated headlines.
[info]ktoby02
2005-07-12 07:49 am UTC (link)
You know, it's become obvious that this has become an angle, but this is the first time since 1998 where I have spent 3 hours online looking for updates, pictures, anything that resembles some news towards this whole Hardy thing. It's absolutely incredible, and it was perfect that they did the Hardy thing twice (backstage and then in the ring)...that way during the commercial, you could call your buddy and say "Dude, fucking Hardy was on TV!!" and then in the next segment...there he is again, stirring up shit and (yes he was) plugging ROH. UNBELIEVABLE heat...I love it. I TOLD YOU GUYS...what a GREAT time to be a wrestling fan. Fuck yeah.

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Re: Whew...it's 2:45 am, and I'm still looking for updated headlines.
[info]klitke
2005-07-12 08:00 am UTC (link)
I agree. I know it's a work, it's obvious if you look at the evidence. But it's got me excited anyway, and even though I know it's a work, I keep looking to find out more.

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Re: Whew...it's 2:45 am, and I'm still looking for updated headlines. - [info]jcdaredevil, 2005-07-12 07:55 pm UTC

[info]awel_cruiz
2005-07-12 07:59 am UTC (link)
About the only interesting thing in the Diva Search stuff this week was Layla low blowing Earl Hebner. That should get her the bulk of the Canadian votes anyway.

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[info]bigelow34
2005-07-12 02:31 pm UTC (link)
she would have gotten my vote if she at least knew Earl Hebner's name and din't just call him the "referee"

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[info]seether07
2005-07-12 08:14 am UTC (link)
Man if it is a shoot and he goes to TNA they just got major publicity and I really doubt 90 percent of the people in the crowd know what ROH is but it got smarks talking at least. If I was creative and I wanted the Shoot thing to go over I really wouldn't have done the in ring stuff. I mean he was tackled by security after attacking edge on his way to the ring. How did he get up go past security and get to the ring. anyway. Did anyone notice Hogan getting a boo one time. I don't know if it was intenttional but man it rocked. And wooo do they need to develop Carlito's in ring character as he's all over the place with a few heel tendencies and no real direction on what he's doing. also can anyone tell me what his finisher is. I think it would be hillarious if they just let him keep doing the rollup with ropes/tights

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[info]douglasb
2005-07-12 08:34 am UTC (link)
a while back me and some others were discussing Carlitos finisher. I said my only guess was the DDT because it's what he hit Cena with right before his debut match.

Since then, he's been using the DDT in almost every match but it's never won anything.

If it is his finisher, it's very weak.

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(no subject) - [info]thewhiteboy001, 2005-07-12 02:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]megatitawitz, 2005-07-12 03:44 pm UTC
Re: - [info]emperorjoker, 2005-07-14 12:03 am UTC
More bad than good.
[info]douglasb
2005-07-12 08:23 am UTC (link)
The Good:
Agreed on Matt Hardy. This is finally an angle that has me completely interested. This whole deal with Lita cheating on Matt might end up being the best thing for Matt as his career was going no where before hand.

For the first time since his return I'm actually interested in Shawn Michaels the character and not just the wrestler.

The Bad:
The Diva search his god awful. I don't know who i feel more embarassed for, the girls looking like idiots in the competition or me for possibly getting caught watching it.

The heel Shawn Michaels is a bit too much like Eddie Guerrero and should be more like his old annoying heel self.

Angle doesn't have a solid feud yet on RAW!

Cena's character right now sucks. It's all ass kissing to the fans and he seems to be trying waaay too hard. I also don't like that the Jericho Cena feud is all about the same stuff Cena and JBL feuded over. Jericho is making it about money and Cena is making it about the people. It's already tired and they are going about it all wrong.
On that note, I think Jericho should be made champ for a little while Cena figures out what the hell he did to Cena 2003.



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Re: More bad than good.
[info]dolphin_jer13
2005-07-12 12:30 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree about Cena. His promos are terrible, and he needs to quit acting like the fans love him because he represents them, and we're all in his "chain gang" and blah, blah, blah. He got over as a face because his heel persona was so good, and different from the other heels, a la Rock. The reason why Rock stayed awesome as a face was that he didn't change his persona one bit. In fact, he got more over-the-top with his arrogance and catchphrases, and the fans ate it up. Fans don't want to hear all the standard, boring crap Cena is spewing right now. It's what desperate babyfaces do to generate any kind of reaction from the crowd. In addition, his whole Cena/Bischoff feud is just pathetic. It's been played a million times. Memo to Vince: Your angle with Austin made millions six years ago, but it's OVER! Move on!
The worst part of this Cena / Jericho feud is the fact that Jericho now has to be boring as hell with his promos and interaction with Cena because the crowd will completely turn on Cena and root for Jericho if he doesn't. In the fans' minds, Jericho hasn't turned into a hated heel. He's just doing what it takes to get a title shot The crowd last night was just dying for Jericho to lay into Cena, but we got the recycled crap that feuled the Cena / JBL angle.
I want to see the match, but the direction they are taking with the angle is really bad.

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Re: More bad than good. - [info]stixxy, 2005-07-12 12:43 pm UTC
"Art" imitates life - [info]boo__boo, 2005-07-12 02:59 pm UTC
Fuck
[info]goregoregore4
2005-07-12 08:31 am UTC (link)
FUCK! Naturally, the RAW I miss is the good one. Fell asleep before it started. Fuckin' hell.

I don't know about this Matt Hardy thing, if you notice in the Raw results on wwe.com, they mention nothing about Matt Hardy... interesting.

But if they showed him backstage before it, it's gotta be a work. I don't know.

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Re: Fuck
[info]douglasb
2005-07-12 08:36 am UTC (link)
Also, Edge showed the footage of him playing Matt's music at the wedding backstage earlier in the show (which made the whole Hardy appearance less of a surprise for me).

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Re: Fuck - [info]nodizzle, 2005-07-12 09:48 am UTC
Re: Fuck - [info]vyolynce, 2005-07-12 01:03 pm UTC
Re: Fuck - [info]jkt1009, 2005-07-12 06:14 pm UTC

[info]jesterstear
2005-07-12 08:56 am UTC (link)
Carlito uses his dizzying array of chinlocks to keep control as this thing drags on and on.

And the crowd let them know it, didn't they? I usually hate the "boring" chants, but this one was well-deserved.


And now, the champ is here. That's the most self-evident catchphrase I've heard in a while. Crowd isn't too much with him, either.

Gee, think we're getting Hogan / Michaels and the "return" of Matt Hardy to face Edge at Summer Slam because in the end Vince has no faith in Cena being able to draw PPV $$$?


This week's Diva Search Challenge

The divas have 60 seconds to show you their greatest talent. Apparently their greatest talent is to make me leave the room for this segment and hit the bathroom.


The Boogeyman is coming

Boogyman? Fuck, we're heading back to the 80's WWE with the goofy characters.


The big story is that Matt Hardy hits the ring and attacks afterwards, drawing the biggest babyface reaction and biggest star reaction he's had in years.

So now the question is this - was the whole thing a work on the fans with Hardy? Or did Matt decide that the allmighty dollar was worth more to him than his pride, and he went back to a company that totally ass-fucked him?

I want to say that it's been a work all along, but I just don't credit Vince or the writing staff with that much creativity. Well, as Jim Cornette said, even a blind squirrel eventually finds an acorn.

Almost makes me want to go to his website to see the outraged posts from his fans. I predict a lot of "we supported you during what we thought was a bad time in your life, and you were lying to us" type posts.


And the main event interview is Shawn Michaels on Piper's Pit

Heel HBK is so good that it almost makes me forget that it's fucking Hogan that's going to be in the ring with him. Could be worse, though... they could throw Piper in the mix as well and have a 3-way dance. Christ, Roddy needs to retire and go away. I remember when this man was GOD on the mic... he hasn't been god for years now. Even that big "shoot" on Vince Russo back in TNA was more embarassing than exciting.

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[info]thatnickguy
2005-07-12 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Almost makes me want to go to his website to see the outraged posts from his fans. I predict a lot of "we supported you during what we thought was a bad time in your life, and you were lying to us" type posts.

I read a few posts on his site before going to bed last night. There was a link from Inside Pulse to the post.

Anyway, for every "outrage" and "sellout", there's about 10 or 20 "I love you Matt, you made my night", etc etc. They're either playing along or they're falling for it, hook, line and sinker.

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[info]tomscott2610
2005-07-12 12:20 pm UTC (link)
Well fuck me, we've seen both ends of the WWE spectrum in the space of a week. On Smackdown last week we had the most pointless and tasteless thing they have ever pulled; now on Raw, we had perhaps the most labyrinthine and ingenious storyline they've ever come up with.

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[info]stixxy
2005-07-12 12:29 pm UTC (link)
As usual I watched on and off. I gotta say that the highlight to me was bringing back the 'heel champ takes a count out to retain the title' finish. That's a finish that works in terms of making people want to see the blow-off and is a breath of fresh air when substituted for the usual 'outside interference' dq finish. I just don't get people complaining about non-conclusive finishes on tv in championship matches. The goal is to sell the ppv.

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[info]wishlish
2005-07-12 05:09 pm UTC (link)
I *loved* that finish. They did it intelligently, too, as Carlito set it up by moving the belt closer to the ramp so that Benjamin couldn't get to him if he wanted to.

I'm not convinced Carlito works well in the ring- in fact, I'm pretty convinced he doesn't. But he definitely has all the little things down on how to act like a heel. Now if only he could wrestle...

Benjamin, on the other hand, continues to be an innovator in the ring. He needs to end this feud with Carlito and get a big program with a good wrestler to elevate him.

But how about the REALLY big story- no HHH in the main event at SummerSlam????

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Cheat to win! - [info]jkt1009, 2005-07-12 06:24 pm UTC
Re: Cheat to win! - [info]stixxy, 2005-07-12 06:27 pm UTC
Re: Cheat to win! - [info]jkt1009, 2005-07-13 02:34 pm UTC

[info]mschrist
2005-07-12 12:46 pm UTC (link)
"This week's Diva Search Challenge: Who can make me fast-forward the quickest? They're all winners this week!"

"The Boogeyman is coming. I guess since OVW has dried up, Vince is searching under his bed for new talent now."

You're killing me Scott. Shouldn't you save your best bad jokes for the PPV?

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Whattaya mean, Cena isn't over?
[info]tnpir
2005-07-12 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Okay, acknowledging that the crack WWE production crew might have been pumping crowd noise in during Cena's interview, but since it's a live show they probably were not, I don't understand why everyone here thinks that Cena wasn't getting good pops. It sure sounded like it to me. The crowd was chanting along with him, even finishing the "Come Get Some" catchphrase.

I'm not sure why there is all this Cena hate in the IWC. I don't think he's a bad champ at all - he does need some high profile wins in order to establish legit credibility before the inevitable HHH squash. He's GOT to be at least as over as Batista, so I don't get all the negativity.

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[info]brak_attack
2005-07-12 03:09 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree with you. The guy is MEGA over, and the crowd WAS chanting with him last night.

I think what has hurt Cena more than anything is the fact that he's been so clearly pushed beneath Batista, which is odd considering that Cena is at least as over (I'd argue more over), and is THE break out star.

Consider this: Batista's World Title Match is always higher on the card than Cena's WWE title Match (which may be more of a RAW/Smackdown thing....we'll find out at Summerslam). Also, on the WWE Title History page, the World Heavyweight Title is the main link, and while both were on RAW, Batista's title defense was clearly pushed as the main event (which may be more of a Triple H thing). Finally, they had Batista win the Rumble by eliminating Cena. It's strange, and I definitely think that it's hurt Cena's run as champion.

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(no subject) - [info]stixxy, 2005-07-12 03:19 pm UTC
Re: Whattaya mean, Cena isn't over? - [info]icedopera, 2005-07-12 03:46 pm UTC
Re: Whattaya mean, Cena isn't over? - [info]jesterstear, 2005-07-12 04:20 pm UTC
Re: Whattaya mean, Cena isn't over? - [info]mroptimist, 2005-07-12 05:15 pm UTC
Re: Whattaya mean, Cena isn't over? - [info]spookymilk, 2005-07-12 08:43 pm UTC
Re: Whattaya mean, Cena isn't over? - [info]tnpir, 2005-07-13 12:36 pm UTC
Interesting...
[info]uncleclimax
2005-07-12 01:04 pm UTC (link)
Just found this posted on WWE.com


Matt Hardy posts comments on his Web site
July 12, 2005

Following the events that occurred Monday night on RAW involving Matt Hardy, Lita and Edge, Hardy has posted the following comments on his own personal Web site:

"If you guys are ready for a ride, jump the f*** on. Well, I promised you all fireworks, so I hope I didn't disappoint. As of July 11th, 2005, my personal Independence Day, the Movement has begun-- and the Movement's purpose is two-fold. Purpose one--To never let anyone control what Matt Hardy says and does and thinks. Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us. It's time for Matt Hardy to stand up for all the MFer's that have been chanting "We Want Matt", and "You Screwed Matt". Although you may not know this--you guys, the MFers, started the Movement months ago. I can now finally join the Movement because I am no longer controlled by the WWE. The McMahons, the Johnny Aces, and all of the WWE management can kiss my @$$. I did what I did tonight because for me to live with myself, Adam "Feces" Copeland must pay. I'm not going to let the WWE forget that they f***ed up when they released me instead of that scumbag home-wrecker. And Amy Dumas, you know what's it's like to have me as your closest ally--but you're gonna hate to see what it's like to have me as your worst enemy b*tch. Even though I didn't slash your tires FCF, slashed tires are going to be the least of your problems--Bank on it. A little message to the whore, the feces, and the horsesh*t "family" that is the WWE--Matt Hardy is like cancer, I don't go away and you won't find a cure. I thank EVERYONE that has supported me through thick and thin--I promise I will always be there for my MFers. I love you guys--and as I always say, without you, there is no me. I am going to turn a hugely negative situation into something that will benefit us. If you don't want to be able to predict what happens next, you're all in for a treat.

"P.S. - If you're thinking about pressing charges Vince, I got a couple bucks, I'll fight it. Besides, I think I might have some pixs and video from a camera phone that shows your officers Rodney Kinging my @$$. My wrist is cut from the handcuffs, and I would suggest that there was a little unnecessary roughness involved in kicking me out of your building."

Be sure to watch Byte This! right here on WWE.com this Wednesday when special guest Lita promises to respond to Matt Hardy's comments.

And Lita is going to be on Byte This! to respond to Matt. Hmmm, definitely some "shoot" type activities wrapped up in this work of a program. I like how they're going for an incredible sense of realism. But one question is if the creative staff are smart enough to write a storyline like this, then why the hell have they been writing nothing but crap for the last few years?

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Re: Interesting...
[info]uncleclimax
2005-07-12 01:36 pm UTC (link)
Found this as well on 411, so it most definitely as I suspected is a work...

Matt Hardy returned to WWE on RAW last night in a "shoot" style segment. WWE designed the segment to come off as a shoot but it was entirely planned. Hardy shouted at Johnny "Ace" Laurinatis and also mentioned Ring of Honor during his post-brawl shouts after being tackled by security.

According to Ring of Honor, Hardy will still work his scheduled match against Christopher Daniels at their show on Saturday in Woodbridge, Connecticut.

Credit: PWInsider.com

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Re: Interesting... - [info]bryansi, 2005-07-12 01:41 pm UTC
Re: Interesting... - [info]jesterstear, 2005-07-12 04:21 pm UTC
Re: Interesting... - [info]spookymilk, 2005-07-12 08:47 pm UTC
Re: Interesting... - [info]aquaflush, 2005-07-13 03:10 am UTC
Re: Interesting... - [info]caribbean_cool, 2005-07-12 07:57 pm UTC

[info]ja_moore
2005-07-12 02:05 pm UTC (link)
Pretty good show tonight, the first one I have actually sat down and watched for a while.

The Matt Hardy stuff was good. IMO it was a work though. Good job on the WWE's part in making it look shootish. Hopefully this is the beginning of a great angle.

Cena is alright with me. I'm not in love with the guy, but he makes me laugh, and hell, he is popular enough. I would love to see Jericho take the strap, but we all know how unlikely that is.

I actually found the Diva Search amusing. Don't get me wrong I hate the fact they are wasting time with this porn/reality TV crap on a wrestling show, but I have basically accepted the fact that this is what Vince/the marks want, so why not just get some laughs in. The low blow on Hebner had me on the floor.

The Shawn Michaels turn is intriguing. He didn't really come off as a heel during his spiel. In fact it seemed more like a face VS. face thing to me with the setup of the Hogan match. Yet, I know that the more heelish things he does, he will inevitably get booed. Hopefully, he brings back the prickish 1997 character to coincide with these bad actions. I would also love for him to call Hogan a dinosaur again like he did at the 1993 King of the Ring.

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[info]dolfanar
2005-07-12 02:23 pm UTC (link)
I somehow managed to miss the "Boogeyman" spot.

Can someone give a quick description? Is this a Papa Shango style thing, or more of a Sandman. Or was it just text on a screen?

BTW, Who else wants to bet that this will be Nick Dinsmore again either under a mask or with a completely differant look?

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[info]black_cubs478
2005-07-12 02:28 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't it be really funny if it turned out to be Disco Inferno or Ernest Miller? Because he's the BOOGIEman?! Allright, that wasn't so good...

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Boogeyman - [info]nt3, 2005-07-12 02:39 pm UTC
Re: Boogeyman - [info]dolfanar, 2005-07-12 02:47 pm UTC
Re: Boogeyman from OVW.com - [info]abarnewell, 2005-07-12 03:51 pm UTC
Re: Boogeyman from OVW.com - [info]chrononaut79, 2005-07-13 05:08 pm UTC
Re: Boogeyman from OVW.com - [info]emperorjoker, 2005-07-14 12:14 am UTC
Re: Boogeyman - [info]marino13, 2005-07-12 04:14 pm UTC
Re: Boogeyman - [info]dolfanar, 2005-07-12 02:49 pm UTC
Boogieman - [info]scottyflamingo, 2005-07-12 03:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thatnickguy, 2005-07-12 03:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]icedopera, 2005-07-12 04:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dolfanar, 2005-07-13 01:52 pm UTC
Quick RAW thoughts..
[info]scatter
2005-07-12 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Hardy is gonna be tag teaming with Kane for the next 2-3 PPVs/RAWs, then will fade into obscurity. Whoopty do.

The Boogeyman. Does that mean Jeff Hardy is coming back, now, too?

Was it just me, or did it seem that TSN's RAW was on a longer delay than usual? Noticed a lot more stuff getting muffled out in the first run.

Liked JR's (I think) comment during Edge's match.... 'Lita's keeping Snitsky on his toes!' or whatever it was.

Anyone else a little put off with how little we've seen of Triple H since HitC? Makes me wonder when the other shoe is gonna drop.

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Re: Quick RAW thoughts..
[info]funsational_one
2005-07-12 11:12 pm UTC (link)
I read that Triple-H or the writing team or whoever made the decision to keep Triple-H off of TV for a little bit. They said that they realized that Triple-H is starting to get a little over-exposed.


I laughed at how if this is true, they're a bit slow on the uptake.

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More to come?
[info]nt3
2005-07-12 02:37 pm UTC (link)
I have to wonder now, after the return of Matt Hardy and the bizarre new attitude of WWE.com (posting the comments of released talent!?!) if this recent round of releases can be, in part, a work. Could Vince potentially be planning an "invasion" style angle?

Think about it, with Matt Hardy and the Dudley Boyz leading it, it could potentially draw some money. It could be used to get over guys like Charlie Haas (who I still don't understand releasing) and Matt Morgan (who we all probably hate, but you know Vince). Plus, someone like, say, Shannon Moore could easily be involved because of his relationship to Matt. Ditto for Spike and the Dudleyz.

Most of all, however, we are all wondering what is going to happen next. This means we FINALLY have a compelling wrestling angle, for the first time in years. Here's to hoping they don't fuck it up.

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Re: More to come?
[info]spookymilk
2005-07-12 08:55 pm UTC (link)
I thought the exact thing.

A lot of people thought it the first time around, you know, like a year ago or whatever it was--so I know there are probably people thinking this is just a pipe dream.

Except this time, they ditched some guys they've really used a lot. And some guys with talent. The only problem with the conspiracy we're theorizing is this: other than the Dudleyz, there's just no common thread here.

By the way, I don't hate Matt Morgan. Sorry...I just...don't. Couldn't tell you why, but he was one of the ones I was annoyed about.

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I think "The Boogeyman" is the first WWE movie
[info]nucleobomz
2005-07-12 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Wasn't that the original title of the first WWE movie that would star Kane?

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Re: I think "The Boogeyman" is the first WWE movie
[info]thatnickguy
2005-07-12 03:47 pm UTC (link)
I think (and I could be wrong) that it was always titled Ice Cream (or Eye Scream or I Scream) Man.

What ever happened to that, anyway? I remember when the promo for the Rob Zombie movie was shown at One Night Stand, I thought for sure it was Kane's movie, at first.

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Re: I think "The Boogeyman" is the first WWE movie - [info]jesterstear, 2005-07-12 04:23 pm UTC
Re: I think "The Boogeyman" is the first WWE movie - [info]pzizzle, 2005-07-12 08:25 pm UTC

[info]stixxy
2005-07-12 02:54 pm UTC (link)
I thought Johnny Valiant was dead.

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[info]thejyav
2005-07-12 03:08 pm UTC (link)
Matt hardy was the most exciting moment they have had since benoit won the title

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[info]stixxy
2005-07-12 03:15 pm UTC (link)
http://www.insidepulse.com/articles/39285

More evidence that Eric has lost his mind. A good half of his raw reactions are just completely backwards. His whole take on Shawn is warped. His whole take on Jericho somehow being demoted into a feud with Cena is just ridiculous.

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[info]megatitawitz
2005-07-12 04:09 pm UTC (link)
His preceptions aren't as warped as you seem to think. Shawn's promo, while good enough, wasn't as heelish as I would have expected from someone who's already turned. It sounded like a promo he should have cut right BEFORE he superkicked Hogan.

And while I will agree with you that Jericho wasn't demoted (at this point, a demotion for Jericho would be headlining an ROH show in a gymnasium in NJ), you can't honestly tell me you think the WWE title is the most important title on Raw. Hell, the IC title's getting a better showing. I haven't seen the title this ignored since the Big Show was defending it against Viscera and the Big Bossman in first-hour main events.

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(no subject) - [info]chrononaut79, 2005-07-13 05:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]megatitawitz, 2005-07-14 04:26 pm UTC
Re: HBK's interview - [info]emperorjoker, 2005-07-14 12:22 am UTC
Hardy angle
[info]chrisho3
2005-07-12 03:44 pm UTC (link)
What's great about this Hardy angle is WWE didn't even mention it on their website. If you check the RAW results, pictures and videos, there's not even a word about the attacks. Brilliant work.

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[info]brak_attack
2005-07-12 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Agreed, although on their main page they have now included comments Hardy made on his personal website....and Lita is going to appear on Byte This to respond to them. It's just a bit counter-productive to what they're trying to do.

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(no subject) - [info]spookymilk, 2005-07-12 09:12 pm UTC

[info]thatnickguy
2005-07-12 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Wholeheartidly agree with the Hardy stuff being interesting.

Like everyone else has said, it's obviously a work. If it wasn't a work, I'm sure they would have just cut to a commercial or something. But I'll be damned if I'm not interested.

Who would've thought Matt fucking Hardy would overshadow Shawn Michaels? As far as being "the talk of the show", anyway.

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[info]spookymilk
2005-07-12 09:06 pm UTC (link)
Who would've thought Matt fucking Hardy would overshadow Shawn Michaels? As far as being "the talk of the show", anyway.

Pretty much everyone, I think, granted that Hardy was there.

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The Movement
[info]uncleclimax
2005-07-12 04:10 pm UTC (link)
From an earlier post I made further up in the thread...

"If you guys are ready for a ride, jump the f*** on. Well, I promised you all fireworks, so I hope I didn't disappoint. As of July 11th, 2005, my personal Independence Day, the Movement has begun-- and the Movement's purpose is two-fold. Purpose one--To never let anyone control what Matt Hardy says and does and thinks. Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us. It's time for Matt Hardy to stand up for all the MFer's that have been chanting "We Want Matt", and "You Screwed Matt". Although you may not know this--you guys, the MFers, started the Movement months ago. I can now finally join the Movement because I am no longer controlled by the WWE.

nt3 made this comment a little further down the thread.

"I have to wonder now, after the return of Matt Hardy and the bizarre new attitude of WWE.com (posting the comments of released talent!?!) if this recent round of releases can be, in part, a work. Could Vince potentially be planning an "invasion" style angle?

Think about it, with Matt Hardy and the Dudley Boyz leading it, it could potentially draw some money. It could be used to get over guys like Charlie Haas (who I still don't understand releasing) and Matt Morgan (who we all probably hate, but you know Vince). Plus, someone like, say, Shannon Moore could easily be involved because of his relationship to Matt. Ditto for Spike and the Dudleyz.

Most of all, however, we are all wondering what is going to happen next. This means we FINALLY have a compelling wrestling angle, for the first time in years. Here's to hoping they don't fuck it up."

This whole "Movement" Matt is referring to coinciding with guys like DVon and Kidman refusing to comment on being released could be the seeds of an ECW type of invasion angle. Matt talks about the "Movement" and the RAW that went by being his "Independence Day" and how he'll no longer be controlled by the WWE, as mentioned coinciding with wrestlers being released and some not commenting on the situation could lead into an "invasion" or "hostile takeover" sort of situation.

Watch though, I'll bet in a couple of weeks WWE will fuck it up by having "shoot style" Matt "I'm not controlled by the WWE anymore" Hardy attack Edge out of the blue on RAW and then in the next segment they'll show WWE superstars at some charitable/PR event and Matt will be signing autographs and talking to Todd Grisham about the great PR work WWE does and kill the whole "shoot" aspect inadvertantly just cause they're at that WCW level of dumb now. Remember when Shawn had his throat Pillmanized by Kane and was "injured" and "couldn't speak" but then they fuck up the whole suspension of disbelief by showing Shawn all happy and normal and talkative at the Smackdown Your Vote convention?

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[info]ryan_olesin
2005-07-12 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Everyone whining about Hardy selling out should just sit back and enjoy it. It started off as real, then took a life of its own in the audience, then all parties involved decided to take advantage of it. Hardy's appearance was on of the best things I'd seen in years.

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Bravo
[info]jasonkrowe
2005-07-12 04:24 pm UTC (link)
I congratulate Vince, Matt & the Creative staff for reeling most of the fanbase in on the whole thing.

But something strikes me as odd...its Matt's schedule. Normally, WWE wouldnt allow such a schedule, so here it is and you decide...

From TheMattHardy.com:

July 16th, 2005-- Matt Hardy vs. Christopher Daniels in ROH

July 17th-19th, 2005-- Matt's intended "vacation to Orlando" (coinciding with No Surrender and the Webcast tapings)

July 22nd-23rd, 2005-- Appearance for Big Time Wrestling in Newark, CA and Autograph signing in Modesto, CA.

July 29th, 2005-- Appearance for IWC in Monroeville, PA

August 12th, 2005-- Appearance for ROH Show in Dayton, OH

August 13th, 2005-- Appearance for ROH Show in Chicago Ridge, IL

August 27th-28th, 2005-- Appearance for WrestleReunion in Valley Forge, PA

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Re: Bravo
[info]scatter
2005-07-12 05:14 pm UTC (link)
There's only one date in there that happens to include a Monday.

I think, if their goal is to make people think that Matt is just 'showing up' at events, having him do house shows instead of RoH stuff would be counter-productive to their efforts.

Anyone happen to know where RAW will be next week?

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Re: Bravo - [info]uncleclimax, 2005-07-12 05:22 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]byanney, 2005-07-12 09:53 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]icedopera, 2005-07-13 03:06 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]lerxst_pratt, 2005-07-12 08:30 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]rinehart316, 2005-07-12 10:10 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]jim_smith, 2005-07-12 10:46 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]cactusfan04, 2005-07-13 04:59 am UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]dolfanar, 2005-07-13 01:57 pm UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]cactusfan04, 2005-07-14 02:13 am UTC
Re: Bravo - [info]dolfanar, 2005-07-14 03:42 am UTC

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