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Date: 2005-12-03 11:00
Subject: Bret Hart DVD
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Since I can't find the Bret DVD anywhere here in Saskatoon right now and my credit card is in no position to be getting it off Amazon, I had to resort to downloading the first disc off the newsgroups. Didn't feel like doing a full review, although one of my friends sent me a review of the documentary portion that I'll post sometime soon. I thought it was a good, fair documentary that chronicled his career well, although skipped over a lot of stuff and skipped almost all the backstage dirt. It's not the definitive Bret Hart Story or anything, but for newer fans it's pretty fantastic stuff that really shows how someone can evolve from an opening match tag wrestler into the biggest star in the industry. We really need Wrestling With Shadows on DVD to counterbalance this, however, with a darker look at the Montreal era. Story-wise it wasn't as strong as the awesome Eddie Guerrero DVD or anything, but it wasn't a hatchet-job like the Warrior one, either, so it ended up somewhere on the good side of things.

The first disc only has the 20:00 Killer Bees match, which was fantastic and a breath of fresh air these days, and the 20:00 Bulldogs match that was stopped due to curfew, and which was also fantastic. What was up with "curfew" anyway? I never got that -- did everyone in New York have to be home by 11:00 or their mommy would yell at them or something? Anyway, two great, long tag matches which you just don't see anymore these days between people as low on the card as those teams were. More to come if I can find the other two discs.
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User: canadianbulldog
Date: 2005-12-03 17:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I thought the "curfew" draw was when the show had to end at a certain time to satisfy city by-laws. That made sense in the 60's or 70's, I guess, but in 1985? Wow.
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User: workedshoot
Date: 2005-12-04 05:38 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Actually Mitch Hedburg almost got a venue in trouble earlier this year in Seattle for going past "curfew". He was fucked up, trying to open a locked briefcase he had lost the combo for, and refused to leave the stage. Even got into a fight with Stephen Lynch from the stage wings who was trying to get him off.

Poor Mitch. :(

It seems like a ridiculous law that has no merit, but there ya go.
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User: zomig
Date: 2005-12-03 17:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Wrestling With Shadows is on DVD.

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User: jesterstear
Date: 2005-12-03 17:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I wonder how many people that call the Warrior DVD a "hatchet job" and such have actually seen the thing. Christ, this is a perfect example of how if you say something enough times it'll be considered true.

Was it a glowing praise of his career? Definitely not. But it wasn't a hatchet job either. They freely admit that he was a top draw, that he'll always be considered a legend by the fans. They also told the truth that he's a god damned nutcase. If they really wanted to do a hatchet job on him, they could have talked about what a racist, sexist and homophobic ass he's become.

All in all, the WWE DVD gave a much more fair treatment than the one Warrior has given them over the last 10 or so years.
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User: chanseywmu
Date: 2005-12-03 17:52 (UTC)
Subject: Yeah
It's interesting that you'd mention Wrestling With Shadows not being on DVD because I think Canada is the only place it is, since it's a Trimark title (Like so many other movies that now have good DVDs *cough*Lost Highway*cough* in other regions). Personally i don't care that i just have it on VHS, it's 4:3 ratio and probably mono or 2.0 sound anyway.

Cities still have curfews for arenas, almost every city has to have it's major venue (I.e. Madison Square Garden, Staples Center, etc...) wrestling shows and concerts end by 11:00 or the promoters of the show pay a very hefty fine to the city.

I think this Bret Hart DVD is a pretty good example of how to do it right, with this and the Jake DVD within two weeks of each other they got it down to a silence. My only gripe with the Jake DVD is that they censored his language, which was important to the gritty material being discussed.
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User: djtodd
Date: 2005-12-03 17:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Hart Foundation vs. Killer Bees matches that were on every single episode of Maple Leaf Wrestling in the mid 80s are the alpha and the omega of tag wrestling. Just beautiful to behold.
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User: kitt9580
Date: 2005-12-03 18:09 (UTC)
Subject: Dibiase Match
I love the Dibiase match on the 2nd disc. It was obviously taped for Wrestling Challenge but for whatever reason they put it on the DVD with no commentary at all. Subsequently you can hear everything they say in the ring. You can hear Ted call practically every other spot, as well as a big "Shit!" after a small package attempt (not to mention a "Fuck you!" from Virgil at the end of the match). Then at the end of the match they have the camera literally right over the shoulder of Tim White as he tells them to go home and pats Ted on the back. I sincerely believe they put that match on there for the hilarity factor alone.
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User: hitmanclark
Date: 2005-12-03 18:14 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Dibiase Match
I absolutely love the Steamboat match.

Just outstanding professional wrestling, and a perfect example of how do do the little things.
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Neil Trama III
User: nt3
Date: 2005-12-03 18:35 (UTC)
Subject: Match Selection
I can't help but find some of the matches selected for the DVD a little weird, like the DiBiasi match and the Bam Bam match with Spanish commentary. As I understand it, though, these were Bret's personally selected favorite matches which, I guess, explains the inclusion of such obscure stuff and the omission of other great stuff (like anything with Shawn post-1993).

They certainly have enough matches left to make another three disc set on the Hitman. Just think of the great stuff they left off like the Harts vs. Demolition (Summerslam 1990), Bret's first WWF championship win vs. Flair in Saskatoon, the steel cage match with Owen at Summerslam '94, the match with Backlund at Survivor Series 1994, the first match with Austin at Survivor Series 1996, and the five on five tag team match from Canadian Stampede just to name a few. Plus, I'm sure they have some classic stuff from Stampede, a bunch of other great early Hart Foundation matches that I'm not familiar with, and matches with Shawn that Bret probably wants to forget about (Survivor Series 1992, Wrestlemania 12). Plus I remember a great little match between Bret and the 1-2-3 Kid from, like, Superstars in the summer of 1994 that would be a nice addition, IMO.
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User: jddunn
Date: 2005-12-03 18:42 (UTC)
Subject: Best WWE DVD Yet.
Disc One
Disc Two
Disc Three

I understand they wanted to keep things as non-confrontational as possible, and I actually prefer it that way. Really, most of these things should be considered ancient history.

As far as matches are concerned, the only changes I would have made were to put the Bret/1,2,3 Kid match on there instead of Hakushi and the Harts winning the titles rather than the Harts/Nasties.

Too bad they didn't have cameras there for the Bret vs. Owen Ironman matches.

Other than that, it's the best DVD they've done, IMO.
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User: jddunn
Date: 2005-12-03 18:46 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Best WWE DVD Yet.
There was one thing I forgot to add, apparently people have been experiencing sound problems with the Austin/Bret match. Just thought I'd let people know in case they were going to buy the set just for that match or something.
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User: manbeast01
Date: 2005-12-03 19:00 (UTC)
Subject: Matches Left Off
This DVD is great, but it is accurate to say that at least 20 others great maatches could have been added. My list include:

1) vs. Roody Piper, Wrestlemania XIII
2) vs. Shawn Michaels, Survivors Series 92 (****1/2)
3) vs. Razor Ramon, Royal Rumble 93
4) vs. The Steiners, Wrestlefest 94 (*****----a hidden classic)
5) vs. Quebebecers, Royal Rumble 94 (****)
6) vs. Diesel, King of the Ring (***1/2)
7) vs. Owen, Summerslam (*****)
8) vs. Bob Backlund, Survivor Series 94
9) vs. Jerry Lawler, Summerslam 93 (not classic matche, a classic angle)
10) vs. Diesel, Royal Rumble 95
11) vs. Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania (*****)
12) vs. Steve Austin, Survivor Series 96
13) vs. Steve Austin vs Vader vs Undertaker, Final Four 97
14) vs. Steve Austin's Team, Canadian Stampede
15) vs. Undertaker, Summerslam 97
16) vs. Bam Bam Bigelow, King of the Ring 93
17) vs. Ric Flair, where he wins his 1st world title

And those are just the one I think off with research. Obviously, some I can understand why they where left off, like the the Iron man match (on Shawn's DVD already), the Owen cage match (on the cage matches's DVD), the Undertaker Summerslam match (on Taker's recent DVD) and all of Austin' matches, since there is already the classic from Wrestlemania XIII.

All in all, this is by far the best DVD that they ever produced.

I'm just wonderong can think of others great matches that I forgot from Coliseum Video tapes?
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User: jddunn
Date: 2005-12-03 19:08 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Matches Left Off
I don't know if it was ever on a Coliseum tape, but there was a pretty good Bret/Savage match.

Hopefully, they're keeping some of this in reserve for a sequel. They're doing 2 ECW discs, why not two Bret ones.
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User: hackenschmidt_1
Date: 2005-12-03 21:31 (UTC)
Subject: Speaking of wrestling DVDs.....
I'm pulling for a second volume of both Flair & Bret on DVD. There is so much for them to use out of those 2 guys.
Another good idea, make a new 3 disc Hogan one, the first one was a mess with vingettes, promos & matches all mixed up in no real order. They could easily put togeather a better comp of stuff with him.

Would also like to see a nice 3 disc set on Shawn. From the Vault was good, but he has so much more stuff out there. Even a "Volume 2" from the vault would be fine. I haven't picked up the first one, on the hope they will put them altogetaher into one big set.

Final question for all you out there, who are some you would like to see in 2 or 3 disc sets. I'm pulling for Kurt Angle, Randy Savage & The Rock. I would LOVE it if they gave us a couple discs of Macho.

any thoughts?
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User: sideshowshan
Date: 2005-12-03 22:08 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Speaking of wrestling DVDs.....
I don't think I could deal with a 3-disc set of Hogan MATCHES.... maybe a set of storylines, interviews and the build-up to matches.... but I think I might poke my eyes out if I had to sit and watches all those hogan matches back to back!
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User: hackenschmidt_1
Date: 2005-12-03 21:34 (UTC)
Subject: Foley DVD
Hi Scott, one more thing that I forgot. I know I've asked you bout this before, how come we never got a review for "Mick Foley's Greatist Hits & Misses"? It has both fantastic stuff you have reviewed for us masses, and many things I've never seen you recap.

Its Mick too, which means you get some good bonus promos & the like, and hes always fun to listen too.

Considering you got & reviewed the Hogan DVD, I thought this would be a given!

anyway, thanks for reading.
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User: fanontheverge
Date: 2005-12-05 23:10 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Foley DVD
He mentioned this a few months ago. He has reviewed all the matches and found no care to review it as a whole again. But I am with you on your curiosity: Mick Foley's Greatest Hits and Misses is in my top five on wrestling DVD's, I like it even more than Eddie Guererro's, and that's saying something.

My personal favorites: His falls count anywhere match with Sting at Beach Blast is terrific (Sting at his very best), and the Chicago street fight with the Nasty Boys is just amazing to behold. To think this happened in April of '94, a good year before ECW made its mark, is incredible, and it is even more unbelievable that WCW didn't capitalize on this and decided to wait four years to adapt to that style. Just good ole trashy fun. Scott Keith even loved this match, and I heard the match they had the next month at Slamboree was even WILDER!
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Nick Piers
User: thatnickguy
Date: 2005-12-03 21:51 (UTC)
Subject: Canadian Stampede 10-Man
I managed to find it at HMV a few weeks ago. Haven't gotten any further than the first disc for no particular reason other than not being in the mood.

Like a few other people that have commented, I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed by the lack of the Canadian Stampede 10-man match. I seem to recall Bret saying in documentary that it was one of his fondest memories. If it was so fond, why didn't they include the match? It highlighted so many guys, not to mention hearing the biggest ovations for all five members of the Hart Foundation that they've probably ever recieved in their career.

Damn shame it wasn't included. I've only read about it and seen a few clips. Never been able to find it in its entirety anywhere for download. =/
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Jim Smith
User: jim_smith
Date: 2005-12-03 23:13 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Canadian Stampede 10-Man
I gotta think one reason the 10-man was left out was because it's tough for a 10-man match to focus on any single participant, and the DVD's trying to focus on Bret. I've never seen the Canadian Stampede match, but I can't imagine Bret spent even half of the match in the ring, and you don't buy a Bret DVD to see Bret standing on the apron watching his buddies wrestle. It'd kinda be like sticking the 2004 Royal Rumble match on a Kurt Angle set--yes it was a good match and Kurt was in it but it's not really about him specifically.

Given the reputation the match has, I definitely think it should be on a DVD, but I'm not disappointed that it's been left out of this DVD. Maybe an Owen compilation (since he got the pinfall) or a set focusing on the Hart Foundation '97 run, or a bonus feature on an Austin set so you can see what led to Austin/Owen and the Owendriver.
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User: manbeast01
Date: 2005-12-03 23:21 (UTC)
Subject: Other 3 Set DVD to Consider
Bret's DVd format, a 2 hour documentary followed with two dics of extras, is one that can be used with only so many wrestlers. For instance, there's no way Hogan could fill 7 hours with his matches. but here's a list of guy whose DVDs would definitely sound interesting (the documentary and the matches):

1) Kurt Angle (probably not yet because his story is still being written)
2) Chris Jericho (is they can get New Japan tapes like with Benoit's)
3) The Rock (there could be a disc for promos alone!)
4) Randy Savage (Valentine is one the 80's Star DVD and not him????!)
5) Ricky Steamboat (so many great matches, not sure about documatary, though)
6) Lex Luger (okay, just kidding)
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User: nps6724
Date: 2005-12-03 23:55 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Other 3 Set DVD to Consider
You could have 7 hours of Hogan matches. While they may not have tons of quality, there are tons of historic matches. Also, they could include promos and such leading up to big matches such as Andre or Warrior. The biggest problem would be repeating matches. The Warrior match is on Warrior's DVD (isn't it?), they've already had an nWo DVD so it has the beginnings of that angle, and then the Hulk DVD they already released.
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User: robert_sullivan
Date: 2005-12-03 23:35 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
All in all, a great set, but there were a few Whiny Bret sequences in there as well.

1. If you watch the ending of the Iron Man Match at WMXII, Bret DOES just stand in the ring for no reason. HBK could've shown a bit more tact, but Bret didn't seem to want to leave.

2. At the beginning of the program, he describes "old farts" up in Stampede who wouldn't let new talent (as he was, at the time) get a chance to shine. Later on, he complains about how late '95/early '96 was all about getting Shawn to the top! That's called making a new star, Bret, which I'm sure he knows. Just personal garbage clouding his thoughts.

3. Bret bizarrely complains about the training footage prior to the Iron Man Match at WMXII, saying Shawn looks like Rocky in his and Bret was somehow made to look like a old fool in his. Well, for one, Shawn was the up-and-comer at the time, so his footage makes sense, and two, Bret is shown training with his father and running up snowy hills in Calgary - that makes perfect sense with his character, as Stu Hart and the Dungeon were well-known aspects to his style even in the mid 90s WWF. This makes Bret look like some kind of paranoid whiner.

Doesn't really fit in the list, per se, but why did they cut off the WMXIII match with Austin with Bret leaving? Yeah, I get the OBVIOUS reason, but a big reason why the Rosemont Horizon was chanting "Austin, Austin" after the match was due to Bret's stellar work in going way too far as a face to win the match, thus turning heel. Hearing "Austin, Austin" was as much a testament to the caliber of Bret's work as it was Austin's. I'd figure Bret would realize that, but.
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User: nps6724
Date: 2005-12-03 23:58 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Bret bizarrely complains about the training footage prior to the Iron Man Match at WMXII, saying Shawn looks like Rocky in his and Bret was somehow made to look like a old fool in his. Well, for one, Shawn was the up-and-comer at the time, so his footage makes sense, and two, Bret is shown training with his father and running up snowy hills in Calgary - that makes perfect sense with his character, as Stu Hart and the Dungeon were well-known aspects to his style even in the mid 90s WWF. This makes Bret look like some kind of paranoid whiner.

It's funny because what does Rocky do in Rocky IV? Run up snowy mountains! And what is Rocky in that movie? An old fart! He even talks to Apollo about them getting old before Apollo gets killed by the YOUNG RUSSIAN.
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User: nucleobomz
Date: 2005-12-04 00:27 (UTC)
Subject: A question regarding a song

I've known the song for years, but never knew the title and artist. Can anyone help?

Recorded it through the Extreme Warfare Vol. 1 commercial from ECW.

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Domichi Gibbings
User: domichigibbings
Date: 2005-12-04 01:45 (UTC)
Subject: Re: A question regarding a song
Filter "Hey Man Nice Shot" from the album "Short Bus"
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User: ormbergownsyou
Date: 2005-12-04 01:53 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Has anyone heard about them fixing the sound problems on the Bret/Austin WM 13 match?

I don't want to buy it if it's got fucked up audio- are they offering an exchange for defective DVDs?
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User: jcoville
Date: 2005-12-04 13:40 (UTC)
Subject: My Review
My review of the 3 disk set is here:


In short, they *NEED* to do a 3 Disk Vol. 2.

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User: fanontheverge
Date: 2005-12-05 22:55 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I am certain there are a bunch of comments here, but this is my two cents:

I am gonna get killed for this, but I still have trouble putting this DVD over my beloved From the Vault: Shawn Michaels DVD. I know this one has more matches and such, but the several matches on Shawn's 2003 DVD just hold too dear to me to have it eclipsed by anyone. I just think Shawn's matches still excite me more than Bret's. Even the awesome Bret matches on that DVD put me to sleep (especially the BUlldog one). Same with Flair: Great quality matches, but DAMN can they drag a bit. So Bret's DVD goes ahead of the terrific Benoit DVD, Flair's DVD, and Eddie's, and even my personal fave Mick Foley's Greatest Hits and Misses, but Shawn's is still first in my book. But dammit if Bret didn't give Shawn a run there, again.

I LOVE the Steamboat match, it was so ahead of its time (God, I miss Steamboat), and the Killer Bees match is fun to watch. The one I loved the most out of the low-key matches? Bret-Bulldog from the Dec. '95 In Your House. What an awesome back-and-forth fight that one was. And if you thought Bret was bleeding bad in WM 8, watch this one. An unrecognized CLASSIC in my book.

I hate to say this, but the Sept. '94 match against Owen was not as good as WM X, and I would have still taken their awesome Summerslam cage match over that one. Bret had his reasons for putting that one in, but it was so drole with a bad ending, I couldn't get into it. The Hakushi match is a stinker, and I REALLY wanted to see the Calgery Stampede match just to hear the crowd pop like bananas for Bret when his music comes on. Okie-doke tag match, but the crowd heat was AMAZING! You can't get what you want all the time, I guess

I loved the Bret/Undertaker match. If Bret had stayed through the Attitude era, he still would have had great matches, as this one shows with the Russo-fied ending. Bret's destroying UT's knee throughout match was a pleasure to watch. Too bad it was quickly swept under the radar by Shawn's sabotage of the event by making the Bulldog lose the European title in his own backyard.

The footage of Bret and Shawn in the Montreal match without thinking about the fiasco was great, too. That match was on a roll before the crazy train rode in.

The Debiase match was cool, too. Teddy may be a convert to Christianity today, but GOOD LORD did he curse like a sailor during that one. I also love how Ted and Bret did NO verbage of spots in any part of the match, winging it till the end. Really enjoyable match.

I always loved the Summerslam '91 match with Curt Hennig, but that match in the 1993 KOTR was even BETTER by comparison. 1992-1994 Bret Hart is right there with 2000 HHH, 1996 HBK and 1989 Flair in terms of sheer brilliance after watching THAT match. Just great structure with nonstop wrestling.

And the Submission Match with Austin at WM 13 is the greatest match in the history of company. Period. Bigger than Hogan/Andre, bigger than Austin/Rock, bigger than HBK/Ramon. It's simply the best. Shame the audio's messed up, though. It still rules.

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