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rspwfaq
Date: 2006-02-28 12:48
Subject: The 24 thread
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As much as I hate to say this, this show is treading water this season at a rapid rate, with a storyline that is going nowhere and Jack getting beat up by every two-bit villain they throw at him. I mean, c'mon, he willingly walks into a room with a guy who unabashedly hates him after the guy says "Nothing gets in or out"? Who didn't see THAT betrayal coming? Sure, Jack v. Robocop is good for a nice fight, but they either need to USE the nerve gas or have CTU find it and move on already. And Lynn McGill turned into a total cartoon character after a nice buildup, but at least Buchanan is running the show again.

It's my favorite show, but it's testing my patience this season.
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kitt9580
User: kitt9580
Date: 2006-02-28 19:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"Nothing gets in or out"? Who didn't see THAT betrayal coming?

Point taken, thusly the best quote of the night by Jack was "How could I be so stupid?" 2 hours next week, hopefully things will pick up.
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User: mdwiffle
Date: 2006-02-28 20:26 (UTC)
Subject: Moron
Once again Skeith shows he knows NOTHING
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User: laztboyscout
Date: 2006-02-28 19:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Shield Scott, The Shield.
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 20:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'll second that. While 24 started great and then has gradually declined (but is still one of the best shows on TV), The Shield started off great, slowed down a bit in the 3rd season, then came back like a fucking runaway train in season 4 and hasn't looked back.
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User: nps6724
Date: 2006-02-28 21:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
They soooo need Vic to go after some terrorist, who just so happens to be someone Jack is also after. BOOM! Insta-feud. 24 Season 6: Bauer vs. Mackey. Gold.
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User: walterfego
Date: 2006-03-01 19:03 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Interesting enough Kavanaugh sure seemed to be following the same pattern as Lynn last night as well. It was pretty darn close to the events on 24, but only handled much much better.
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User: paradolex
Date: 2006-02-28 19:31 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I wouldn't exactly call Jack's mentor some "2 bit villian". I didn't see the betrayal coming. I dum. :-(

Maybe it's because the vague spoilers I heard had Robocop and Bauer teaming up.

Anyhow, I don't think it's treading water at all. Robocop fucks over Jack, the fat Hobbit goes apeshit, and Pussy President is "at a loss for words."

Great stuff.
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wantedbadass
User: wantedbadass
Date: 2006-02-28 19:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Don't forget Agent Pierce being totally badass by taking out two terrorists after almost being blown up by a bazooka.

So, who's the top dog now? Robocop or the guy threatening the President directly?

Also, where the hell is Kim? Doesn't she check her phone messages? DAMMIT!
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User: slacker317
Date: 2006-02-28 20:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Maybe Kim finally found a real 9-5 job that requires being at work and not being kidnapped every couple of hours. And since it IS now 5:00 PM, she should (and as you saw if you watched the scenes from next week's 24) respond.

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User: dolphin_jer13
Date: 2006-02-28 20:20 (UTC)
Subject: Aaron Pearce is our GOD!
Yeah, Aaron taking out the terrorists was pretty awesome.
Curtis taking a stand was pretty cool, but Rudy's nonsensical meltdown really hurt Curtis' moment.
Putting the plot aside, which has been pretty lame and predictable since the great first 4 episodes, the HUGE problem 24 has this season is the lousy characters they've introduced and lack of development for others. With Jack and Tony being the exceptions, only Chloe and Bill Buchanon have developed as characters we care about and like.
The President is a complete wimp, and the creators just keep HAMMERING home the point that he's a pussy so much that it's painful to watch the scenes with him. There's no reason to watch his scenes or care about what he says.
Mike Novick is just pathetic now. How in the hell could he organize the revolt against Palmer is season 2, but put up with Logan's shit?? It makes no sense.
Rudy turned into freakin' Yosemite Sam at the end. His storyline is dead now, and anything they do with him now won't mean anything.
What the hell happened to Wayne Palmer, and the Palmer connection to all this?
They got off to such a brilliant start this year, but it's pretty obvious they blew their load in the first 15 minutes. If there's a season 6, they HAVE to switch it up. Maybe go outside of LA, for starter's.
I love this show. Like Scott, it's my favorite, but they need an infusion of creativity STAT!
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 20:22 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Aaron's defense of the first lady and the Ruskies, combined with Curtis stepping up and bitchslapping the hobbit into a detaining room made for a better epsiode than we've seen lately.

As for Lynn's character... I don't remember what his background was (if they ever gave it) but it seems that he's a middle-management dolt that got where he was not by experience but by kissing ass and being a "yes man." He was thoroughly incapable of handling a crisis and fell apart. What's worse, though, is that it took so long for anyone to do something about it.

Next week is the 2 hour extravaganza, which will close out the first half of the season. Expect to see most of the current plot lines wrapped up, and a shitload of new ones get seeded.
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jdisbfp
User: jdisbfp
Date: 2006-02-28 20:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think the best part about Lynn going nuts and being removed from his post is that he was going nuts because he suspected everyone was keeping things from him, and they removed him from his job because that made him crazy.

Except, of course, that he was right and basically everyone in the office knew Jack was following a lead and were keeping it from him.
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 21:30 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Yeah, but they were keeping things from him because he was an incompetent twit that was completely unprepared to lead in a crisis situation.
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jdisbfp
User: jdisbfp
Date: 2006-02-28 22:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
That may be true, but that's also coming from:

Chloe-A clear hothead who would probably go even MORE insane in the same situation.

Edgar Stiles-A guy with no leadership abilities whatsoever.

Audrey Raines-A woman who decided that even though there is a national crisis going on, she needs to sort things out with her once dead, now living boyfriend with a chat on the phone.

Obviously though, Curtis rules.
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 22:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
True, Audrey, Chloe and Edgar aren't quallified to lead, but they recognize that Jack knows what he's doing and they take their cues from him without hesitation. Lynn was not willing to listen to people that obviously had more experience than he did.

I'm sure it wasn't intended, but the character of Lynn is the perfect example of why letting a man supervise people doing a job that he's never done is a bad thing.
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-02-28 21:13 (UTC)
Subject: Treading water?
I think the season is going great! Yeah, every episode isn't it's own mini-movie, but I think that's because we've been more spoiled in the past at times.

I think this is a great 'real' season. The threat is real, and the terrorists are SMART. Christ, what do you want from them? Their target was RUSSIA, and they said over and over again they didn't want to use it against the USA. So the one guy took an entire episode finding another way to use them/their codes, which was real and cool. They weren't able to just go "Ah, they changed the triggers, quick, switch that wire and let's move!" in 3 minutes.

Also, the last episode was INTENSE. So little Jack, yet some of the best "What'll happen?" stuff as you really don't know with this show whether or not they'd kill the Russian Prez + the first lady. It was very cool, especially the CTU stuff.

I didn't see the betrayal coming, which doesn't make anyoen stupid, they built it up perfectly to make it so obvious that eventually you believed the guy, as did Jack, then said "Ah, how could I have been so stupid" along with Jack as well.

NOW there's Jack's mentor, as well as these Russian terrorists who are finally going to turn the gas on the USA. Seriously, anyone who's complaining about the pace of this season has some serious issues with ADD. Calm down and enjoy a slow threat instead of...

"USE THE GAS!"
*Done in one hour*
"Crap, they foiled us...luckily, even though we planned an attack on Russia, we have 2 nukes to use on the USA now!"
*Foiled*
"Crap, well at least back up plan 3 against the USA in case our ORIGINAL plan against Russia was foiled, and yada yada yada, can come into play now..."

The threat was never against the USA, and it was always about the terrorists figuring out how to use the gas as they PLANNED years for, against Russia. Now that all their options there have been foiled, they're pissed and ready to attack the USA.

God, I highly prefer this writing over them grasping for action/attention of the viewers and having nine different threats come from these terrorists who never intended to attack the States in the first place.
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User: brak_attack
Date: 2006-03-01 04:27 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Treading water?
I gotta say, I agree with you. I may be misremembering things, but last year wasn't the whole thing with arming like every single nuclear warhead in the country just a decoy for something significantly less threatening? It seems to me when they have all these false threats and such, the end result just seems so relatively minimal.
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-03-01 07:12 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Treading water?
Exactly! I mean, last season rocked, but for what it was...

I don't want to see a new back up plan every three weeks. I want a MAIN threat to be as threatening as 19 gorramed canisters of friggin nerve gas should be and has been so far!!!
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User: brak_attack
Date: 2006-03-01 17:52 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Treading water?
The season also seems a lot fresher, which I think has helped the show astronomically.

For once, the threat isn't related the least bit to any middle eastern terrorist. Hell, the villains don't even really want to harm the United States.....they're just doing it as a contingency, or using it as a threat to get the President to help him attack Russia.

Couple that with a new president, a new first lady, some familiar favorites in the administration, and a solid crew of well developed characters in CTU that can stand alone without a Jack-crutch, this season is shaping up to be really good.

Actually, this season is reminding me a lot of season 3, which I felt was the greatest in the "ensemble cast" sense. I distinctly remember one episode in which Jack spent the entire time trailing a car with Chase, and the brunt of the episode focused on Michelle in the hotel. I actually really enjoyed this episode because Jack took such a major backseat, and everybody else had an opportunity to shine...an opportunity I feel they excelled at.
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Cheesemon: Hulk Hogan - So whatcha gonna do?
User: cheesemon
Date: 2006-02-28 21:25 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Hulk Hogan - So whatcha gonna do?
Scott, I'm now 100% sure that you've forgotten how to change userpics. Otherwise, I don't know what possessed you to choose HHH-wins-da-belt over your 24 userpic for a 24 thread.
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starvenger
User: starvenger
Date: 2006-02-28 21:38 (UTC)
Subject: Don't worry...
...because if my eyes weren't deceiving me during the "next week's preview" it looks like Jack's running buddy will be oot and aboot.
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The Russians used a pencil
User: gomezticator
Date: 2006-02-28 21:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Season Four treaded water as well. This should not be surprising. They've got to be running out of ideas. Hell, they were running out of ideas last season.
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User: paradolex
Date: 2006-02-28 22:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Season 4 made me want to die inside.

The only complaint I have about this season is that they've sorta fully abandoned the real time time concept.

Jack was pretty much MIA for the entire episode. You're telling me it took him and Robocop 40 minutes to walk from duder's office to the IT area?

I thought it was interesting that Jack was pretty much not in this episode. Maybe they're trying to see how the show runs if, say, Jack wasn't around. I have to admit, I didn't really miss Jack between the CTU and President drama.

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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-02-28 22:56 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
That's because you knew, deep down, that Jack was still around. Man, imagine 24 without Jack? Just hapless CTU agents running around clueless!
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User: paradolex
Date: 2006-02-28 23:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
What about BlackJack and Tony?!
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-02-28 23:39 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Don't get me wrong, Curtis is cool, and him verbally bitch slapping Lynn yesterday rocked all, but he's no Jack...Jack made Curtis tap out, then tossed him on the side of the road all from the passenger's seat.

Tony is very cool, and has only really gotten cooler each season...but again, no Jack.

They're cool, as is the CTU supporting cast, that I'm glad they've kept intact for the past few seasons, but I mean...there's a reason why Jack is always called upon when shit hits the fan, because as the old saying goes "When the shit hits the fan, Jack Bauer's your man." Well, it's a new saying, but still.
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User: _unsung_hero_
Date: 2006-02-28 23:43 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Soul Patch Squad 3000 (Fox) 9:00pm:

Super-agent Tony Almeda, guided by the robotic enhancments that saved him from a near-fatal head injury, leads Aaron Pierce and Curtis Manning to fight the forces of EVIL!!~
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User: dukedevils9192
Date: 2006-02-28 23:24 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Fox gods are pissed because you've quit talking about House, a show that's had somewhere around a zillion awesome episodes lately.
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User: _unsung_hero_
Date: 2006-02-28 23:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think that this season has been pretty solid. Last season's "I kidnapped the DoD to distract you from me causing nuclear meltdowns which was a distraction to me stealing this nuclear missile which was.... etc, etc" kinda boggled the suspension of disbelief a bit. One consistent ongoing plotline isn't bad.

So far this season, we've had Keifer (Stand By Me), Astin (Goonies), Haysbert (Major League), and Weller (RoboCop). Next week ****SPOILER**** C. Thomas Howell (Red Dawn/ Outsiders) joins the cast. Who's next? Judd Nelson? Swayze?
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-03-01 04:22 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"I kidnapped the DoD to distract you from me causing nuclear meltdowns which was a distraction to me stealing this nuclear missile which was.... etc, etc" kinda boggled the suspension of disbelief a bit. One consistent ongoing plotline isn't bad."

SO true! That's the best description of last season. It WORKED, as I loved last season, but it's true, it was just...so...well planned it was unbelievable.

As I stated above, this season rocks because it's so real...the threats seem real, the terrorists act real, Jack's been more real, and the fact that the initial threat was never ON the States, the drawn out process of this one threat is just awesome.
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User: _unsung_hero_
Date: 2006-03-01 04:46 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I loved it too... Marwan was so... genius!

But this season's cool too.
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cwsmark55
User: cwsmark55
Date: 2006-02-28 23:57 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I question Scott being a real fan of 24 in the first place. Last night's was one of the best hours in 24 history and it didn't even Jack that much. There was enough tension going on that I was on the edge of my seat.

What makes this season excellent is that they've given us enough reason to care about things that don't involve Jack. It allows them to do more than just rely on Jack shooting and killing people.

I'm going to have to chaulk this up to the internet people being their usual bastard selves :)
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User: hammer1
Date: 2006-03-01 02:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I don't know about questioning Scott's "24" fanhood, but I do agree with you on Sunday's episode. I loved it.

Logan is such a great character. I love the periodic Mike Novick "how the hell did this guy get to be president" looks. I want Mike to either physically or verbally slap him. Mike's got to be thinking the first lady has more balls than her husband.

McGill acting all paranoid was great also. I hope he isn't gone for good. He adds a lot of tension at CTU. We can only hope eventually Jack will have to execute him to appease the terrorists like that other "by the book" bastard in earlier seasons (Chappelle was his name?)

Do you get the feeling if Chloe asked Edgar to do pretty much anything (steal data, hide something, kill Jack), he would do it for her. :-)
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User: hammer1
Date: 2006-03-01 02:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
of course I meant Monday's episode, duh. Didn't it use to be on Sunday?
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User: kinyo316
Date: 2006-03-01 04:36 (UTC)
Subject: Prayer in 24
I'm suprised that nobody was offended or deeply hurt by the president praying during this weeks episode. I can't believe that Gomezticator hasn't posted a message about how he is now banning 24 because he was scared by the people praying in the episode. Talk about religious politics.
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The Madman Jack
User: cactusfan04
Date: 2006-03-01 05:34 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Prayer in 24
Y'know, I'm even more surprised that no one pointed out that they're hammering home the fact that Logan, no matter what party he is, is pretty much a spot-on impersonation of George W. Bush, at least in personality. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Dubya'd sell out Putin at the drop of a hat, in a similar situation; and if Laura decided to tag along with the Putins to the airport, he'd just put it in God's hands and pray, as opposed to backing off of his stupid plan to appease the terrorists that aren't gonna kill any of us, except that they did already, but they promised to be nice this time. (And DEAR GOD, every decision he makes is those seven minutes in microcosm. You know, the 7 minutes that would've given Dick Cheney the Oval Office if the terrorists had any intel on where George was that day? It's painful to watch once an episode, but didn't we get three or four on Monday?)
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User: slacker317
Date: 2006-03-01 16:07 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Prayer in 24
Well, I'm not a W fan, but I have to say that there's one thing that Logan does very well. He shows us that we could have a lot worse than George W. Bush in the White House.
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The Madman Jack
User: cactusfan04
Date: 2006-03-03 01:44 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Prayer in 24
Yeah, true, W is at least twice the man that Logan is ... but that's mainly a slam on Logan.
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User: brooks78
Date: 2006-03-01 04:52 (UTC)
Subject: A good question
I think someone may have said it early, but what about the palmer connection. Have they even brought that up since maybe the 3rd show, I hope they don't just have that thrown in there for the sake of ending it. Give me a few shows of that plot thread and we can be great again.
As far as this season, i think there have been a few shows where it seems much slower, like they are getting more into telling the story and develpoing it instead of just throwing stuff out there week after week. After the first four seasons, maybe we have all got use to bang bang action and this season is different because they are moving slowly and telling us the whole story
Plus, i think i read some where that this season is the first season where they are writing episodes in advance and having continual sotry lines instead of flying by the seat of there pants, i might be wrong though
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The Madman Jack
User: cactusfan04
Date: 2006-03-01 05:40 (UTC)
Subject: Minor technical point
Someone brought up the question of "are they even using real-time anymore" with regards to Jack's travel time being "so long". I found that to be completely believable, although I bet the real drive takes even longer in LA on the cusp of rush hour; however, did they blatantly use a time-cut on Jack's entry into Henderson's office, or did Jack instantaneously recover from a stun gun? I think it was the former, they should've cut it so we came back from commercial to see him coming around.
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-03-01 07:15 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Minor technical point
You may have missed it, but Jack didn't instantly recover from the stun gun, as his mentor used smelling salts to wake him up.
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The Madman Jack
User: cactusfan04
Date: 2006-03-03 01:47 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Minor technical point
Okay, but it was still a little quick. Gonna let it go, though, because I think the season's kicking ass otherwise.
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