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McMahon: The DVD
Thank god someone did this so I don't have to.

"Yo Scott... it's the guy that sent you Oz tapes all those years ago. I wrote a review of McMahon's DVD for my website at Stablewars (where you're still revered as a former champion). I figure you might want to post a review of the feature on your blog, so here you go! Cheers!
-Charlie (Stablewars.com)
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McMahon: The DVD
Review by Charlie (Stablewars.com)

Disc One (The Feature)

The feature clocks in at 2:09.

-We start with a look at Vince's annoucing. His father fired the annoucer and replaced him with Vince Jr. out of nowhere.

-We skip over Vince's hostile takeover of his dad's company and go straight to the territory stuff. Vince tried to buy the AWA, but then got Hulk Hogan. Greg Gange is interviewed saying that Vince put his dad into bankrupcy and that he's a bad man. Really. Now to Vince's credit, the Ganges actually tried to put a hit on Hulk Hogan, offering money to various guys to break his leg in a match, which is against the law. Also worth noting is the Ganges, like everyone else in wrestling, lowballed talent. If they had opened up their purse strings, they might still be around.

-Sgt Slaughter says Vince screwed everyone. Vince says he doesn't have sympathy for the people that owned the territories. The DVD actually shows a map of the territorial borders and the owners of each promotion, the ones Vince doesn't have sympathy for. Johnny Rougeau of the IWA in Eastern Canada. Frank Tunney in Toronto. Oh come now, they were in cahoots with the McMahons. Pedro Martinez and the NWF. Ed Farhat, the original Sheik, in Detroit. Jim Crockett's Mid-Atlantic. Again, oh come on. If Crockett hadn't been such a bad business man that territory could have held it's ground for years. Jim Barnett's Georgia. Eddie Graham in Florida. Ron Fuller's Continental, Jerry Jarrett's Memphis, Angelo Poffo's ICW. Dick Afflis' WWA, Sam Muchnick's St. Louis. OH COME ON, McMahon didn't knock him out. He was on the verge of retiring anyway. Nick Gulas' Mid-America, Bill Watts Mid-South. Fritz Von Erich's World Class, Bob Geigel, Dory Funk Sr, Stu Hart, Al Tomko, The Lebells, Roy Shire, and Don Owen in Oregon. Funny enough, most of these guys have worked for McMahon at some point. I guess Vince is a softy.

-In a surreal moment, McMahon appears on World Championship Wrestling on TBS in 1984 to talk about how his superior product will appear in place of Ric Flair and the good ole' boys. Shane claims it was so sucsessful that Ted wanted to buy him out. Vince decided to get out because Ted kept harassing him to sell to him, so he sold WCW back to the Crocketts. Yep, that's exactly how it went down. And by exactly I mean not at all.

-So we skip a whole bunch of stuff and go all the way to Eric Bischoff launching WCW Nitro. JBL thought when they lost Diesel and Razor that the war was over. He didn't know better. Now we skip ahead to Bret Hart attacking Vince on Raw in March of 1997, after he lost a cage match to Sycho Sid. This was all a storyline, except Bret started to swear like a longshoremen and landed the WWE on a ten second tape delay.

-Up to this point, the TV show never acknowledged that McMahon was in fact the owner of the company. The Bret angle changed everything.

-So now we go to Montreal. Of all people, the Big Show says that Bret Hart was an idiot for thinking he could walk out of the company with the belt. Big Show says Vince did was a business man would do. Big Show says Bret got screwed. "Sorry, shit happens, get over it." Ouch. Jim Ross says it pulled the curtain back and revealed once and for all that Vince was in charge of the company. Shane says Vince wishes he didn't have to do it. I believe him. Bret was always... ALWAYS... Vince's favorite wrestler. Nobody wanted Bret to be the champion in 1992 but Vince. Patterson wanted Rick Martel, the cable companies wanted to stay with Randy Savage or Hulk Hogan. Vince stood up for Bret. And Bret returned the favor by spitting in Vince's face.

-We see the Raw "Bret Screwed Bret" interview where McMahon has a doctored up black eye.

-Bruce Prichard says the fans brought the character out. Vince says the fans wanted to dislike him, so he took advanage of it.

-We see Austin give Vince a stunner for the first time. Vince says that he's more Stone Cold Steve Austin then Mr. McMahon. We see various instances of McMahon being evil. Love him or hate him, it's a wonderful character and one of the most effective heels of all time. Angle says that Austin was only as good as McMahon was, because one couldn't have made it to stardom without the other. We see Austin spray McMahon with the beer truck, with McMahon trying to swim through it. Heh. We see Austin destroy McMahon's Corvette. We see him drive the Zamboni. We see Austin put a gun to McMahon's head. I loved that because the fans were screaming for Austin to kill McMahon right then and there. Hey, wrestling doesn't lead to violence and I'll kill anyone who disagrees with me.

-We see the McMahon/Austin 'match' from April of 1998, the match that changed the world because it was the day that Raw finally beat Nitro after so many defeats. Bruce Pritchard says McMahon always wanted to be a wrestler. Jerry Lawler agrees. Vince McMahon says he wanted to be like Jerry Graham when he was a kid, dying his hair blond, nearly killing his dad. Triple H says if Vince had been a wrestler, he would have been just like Ric Flair. The most outrageous outfits, and larger then life attitude. But his dad wouldn't let him be a wrestler, because they were the office and not the talent.

-We get a montage of his matches. Triple H, Eric Bischoff, Edge, and Kurt Angle all agree that Vince is the worst athlete they've ever seen. They agree he's a big stiff in the ring. Triple H says that Vince acts like he's Lou Thesz but half the time he doesn't know what he's doing out there.

-Falling off the cage at the Massacre, where the table didn't give right away, causing him to break his tailbone. Yep, it's sick. Austin says there was no reason for him to take that bump, but he wanted to entertain the fans.

-They talk about the company going public. JBL says that the WWE didn't do it for traditional reasons. It was to become mainstream. Also it made him a billionaire. They move into his so called 'charity work' like getting young people to register to vote. Most that did never voted. They talk about Make a Wish, which the WWE has been involved with for years. They work with Special Olympics, Americares, and various other things.

-Now to the XFL. Vince claims that it wasn't that expensive. Laughing my ass off. Joey Styles says that the first thing you saw on the first game was the Rock. At that point, it wasn't football. Then McMahon came out to say "THIS IS THE EXEFELL!" and that that point the WWE hating media had all they needed to destroy the XFL. Styles says if they had let it run without the WWE personalities, all on it's own, it might have worked. Styles says if it wasn't The Rock or Vince McMahon, it was the strippers that they hired as cheerleaders. Bischoff says it would have worked if the media had cut him some slack.

-Now onto "Any Press is Good Press." We see the clips of the interview with Bob Costas on HBO where it looked like one guy was going to punch out the other. Stephanie says she was praying that Vince wouldn't hit Bob Costas. Triple H says it's a good thing he didn't because Costas would have kicked his ass. Bob Costas says that Bobby Knight was the next guest, and funny enough he was like Casper the Friendly Ghost next to Vince. Honestly, I think the whole thing was Vince trying to out-Bobby Knight-Bobby Knight. Angle says Vince is a caring person, who's good to the talent, but there's something bad about him.

-They talk about the Katie Vick angle where Trips, dressed like Kane, simulated fucking a dead body. Vince calls it high comedy. They showed an interview of the Rock on the set of the Rundown and he looked pretty disgusted by it. Joey Styles says it was so stupid that it couldn't have possibly be offensive. McMahon says he liked the Angle. The Rock says it was stupid and pointless and he hated it.

-They talk about the McMahon family. Trips says if anyone ever hurt his kids he would use every resource he had to destroy that person. Trips says he heard that threat personally.

-Now onto Triple H and Stephaine's real life relationship. Triple H says people are still surprised to know they are really married. Vince felt Triple H would be perfect for Steph, so he booked the angle. Linda claims that Vince says he loved Trips first. Vince liked the relationship first, then changed his mind because of business reasons. They tried different people. It didn't work, so they got married. Vince says that he respected Triple H because he had the balls to date his daughter, ignoring the way people in the lockerroom felt about it.

-Now onto the McMahons on TV. Shane didn't like having Linda on TV, along with every wrestling fan. That last part wasn't said on the DVD. We see clips of the McMahons feuding on TV. Steph says she didn't want to slap Linda. Linda thinks she warmed to the occasion. Shane refused to do it.

-Now onto Vince as a womanizer. We get a clip of Vince claiming to be a genetic jackhammer. We go into how Vince and Linda met, in church of all things. We move on to him putting the moves on Trish, while Linda is comatose, then a series of clips of him making out with all the hot divas and Sable. Regal says it's OK because Vince always gets the worst of it in the end.

-We move onto Vince buying out WCW. We get to see the big moment where Vince publicly buried WCW. Shane 'took it over' but really, that was the end. Steph says Vince was freaky all day, like part of him died when WCW folded, says Steph. Bischoff agrees. Lawler and Dusty Rhodes say that business was better when WCW was around. Vince says that competition is still there in the form of other TV shows and sports. Vince says the intent wasn't to be the only fed around, but it happened. They ignore TNA, which is OK, because everyone else does. Vince says his favorite match was against Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania 17. Shane says he was sick to his stomach because he doesn't like to fight with family. Vince gave him a black eye right off the bat during the match so Shane felt somewhat better.

-Now onto the Kiss My Ass Club. Regal loved the idea, and although Vince wanted to back out, Regal pushed for it. Everyone agrees that Vince doesn't like ass kissers in real life. Shawn Michaels says he's the best boss in the world because he's crazy.

-Now onto the brand extension. Lawler doesn't like it and doesn't think it worked right. Bruce Pritchard thinks it's confusing to casual fans. Shawn Michaels loves it. JBL is impressed that some people have brand loyalty. Shawn is surprised that some people watch one brand and not the other.

-Now onto Austin's infamous walkout of 2002. Clips here are recycled from WWE Confidental. Even the music is. Did they cut and paste the whole segment here? I guess not. They show Austin saying that he was pissed that they wanted him to have a match with Brock Lesnar on free TV and he didn't like that, plus his health was bad.

-Not onto his hiring of Eric Bischoff. To this day, I think it's the most shocking thing I've ever seen in wrestling. Linda thought he was joking at first. Lawler says that McMahon truly hated Bischoff and would have choked him to death if he had the chance. Lawler says it was surreal when they hugged. Angle was stunned. Big Show says it was kind of McMahon. Bischoff recalls a story of McMahon saying that if the table had been turned and McMahon had lost the war, he would have hoped Eric Bischoff would have hired him. They bring up how he brought in Paul Heyman. Uh yeah, like they hated each other or something. McMahon was the only thing keeping ECW out of bankrupcy for years. Bringing Hulk Hogan back was shocking too. Not really. Vince always loved Hogan.

-Now onto the feud with Hulk Hogan. They bring up the federal investigation, where Hogan testified against him. They show highlights of Wrestlemania 19.

-Now onto the Mr. McMahon character as a bully. They show him picking on Zach Gowen. We don't get the full match on the DVD, which is kinda stupid.

-We see Vince get inducted into the Madison Square Garden hall of fame.

-Now onto his feud with Stephanie. It was six days before her wedding, and it pissed off Linda, Shane, and Trips. They told him that if she had any marks on her for her wedding he was dead. Nothing is off limits for Vince though, and she didn't have a mark on her. Vince wanted to put Steph and Trips' wedding on Pay Per View. He was serious too. Trips said no chance, and Steph too. Trips says he Steph had let him have a webcast of the birth of their first child, he would do it. Then we get into a disturbing storyline proposal where Vince would be the father of Steph's baby. Wow. That's just wrong. Steph, to her credit, shot that down and said never. So Vince wanted Shane to be the father. Again, not happening. Well, at the end of the day he is still a redneck hillbilly rube from Nort Cackalackia.

-Onto Vince getting beat up. Angle admires it. JR says he would do anything for the business. Shawn says that Vince was the first person to ride the wire before Shawn did it at Wrestlemania 12. They even show a clip of him doing it. Also worth noting, even though they don't show it on here, is that Vince used the harness that Owen Hart was to be lowered to the ring with in Kansas City. More clips of McMahon getting his ass kicked. Blood pouring out of his head. They show him blow out his quads in both legs at the Royal Rumble getting in the ring. That's the second most hilarious injury ever, behind Hogan blowing out his knee getting off the couch. They show him rehab. JR says Vince's favorite saying is "Sleep is our enemy." Bruce Prichard says Vince hates to rest. Vince makes fun of Triple H because he came back faster from the same injury and he had it in both legs. Yeah. But realisticly, he wasn't expected to main event pay per views in the same time frame.

-Now it's onto a "YOU'RE FIRED!" montage. Bruce Prichard mentions getting fired. He was, but he was rehired. This moves onto real life firings. Sgt Slaughter asked for six weeks of paid vacation, a car, etc. Slaughter's attorney told him to no-show a couple dates in the early 80s to send McMahon a message. Vince got the message and fired him. JR says he's been fired three times by Vince McMahon and multiple times on TV by Mr. McMahon. They show JR's hate speech where he introduced Fake Razor and Fake Diesel. They show the Dr. McMahon skit that JR thought was funny at first but dragged on. They show Matt Hardy's situation where McMahon fired him. Matt Hardy says Vince is ruthless. Shawn Michaels tells the story of McMahon firing the Rockers in 1987. McMahon told him he had nice boots, and that they were made for walking. He said he was kidding, and then he fired them for real. McMahon says when he releases someone, they deserve it, and he doesn't feel bad for them.

-Now onto McMahon the Patriot. Oh dear. We see him go to Iraq a couple times. McMahon says nobody supports the troops or something. Yeah, all those yellow ribbons on the back of every car in the US are to support the freeing of Terance and Phillip. Yeah. Shawn Michaels says that he can be a nice guy, but he's still got some of that trailer trash in him. Really. He said that.

-Now onto McMahon's new religion. Shawn says he has fun with his feud with him. Les Thatcher of all people is shown saying how he didn't care for the religious thing and that it crossed the line.

-We end the main feature with Shane having a kid, making Vince a grandfather with balls the size of grapefruits. Vince loves being a grandpa. They show clips of his 60th birthday. Steph thinks he'll live to be 95 because he acts like a little kid. They show Vince toasting people, possibly drunk. He actually tears up a little. JBL calls himself a pigeon-toed fatass who wishes he looked like Vince. Heh. They show him working out. We wrap up by showing that we're still not sure if Vince McMahon and Mr. McMahon are the same person. Angle says that Vince is a nice guy, but if you don't give that in return, he'll end you. Shawn thinks Mr. McMahon is what Vince really is when he's not responsable. John Cena doesn't wish anyone to be on McMahon's bad side. But he conceeds that you don't see his good side on TV."



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[info]jag_bjg
2006-08-23 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Well, that sounds like a good pruchase to me, but I don't think I'm able to get it until September 4 or saomething.

Either way, I'm picking it up.

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[info]jag_bjg
2006-08-23 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Great, I'm the first reply and suddenly my typing and grammar skills are out the fucking window.

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[info]kthx
2006-08-23 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Also worth noting is the Ganges, like everyone else in wrestling, lowballed talent. If they had opened up their purse strings, they might still be around.

Uh, Eric Bischoff? Thanks to WCW's gigantic guaranteed-money contracts, wrestlers demand far more money now than they ever used to. It can make it prohibative for an Indy show to have more than one recognized name.

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And on that note...
[info]kthx
2006-08-23 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Of course, now that I think about Hogan's power, Goldberg's WWE contract and more, I come to realize that every time a promoter opens the purse strings out of desperation, the business is worse off because of it.

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Re: And on that note... - [info]scottyhwood, 2006-08-23 07:02 pm UTC
Re: And on that note... - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:38 am UTC
Re: And on that note... - [info]scottyhwood, 2006-08-24 12:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jdisbfp, 2006-08-23 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]scottyhwood, 2006-08-24 01:07 am UTC
The Map
[info]flipflopnfly
2006-08-23 05:45 pm UTC (link)
The animated territorial map that they show on this thing is VERY cool, as it breaks down every territory in the country, its owner, and which states it covered.

I wish they would have included that as a pullout. I'd love it on a poster.

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Good Review
[info]midnightwritr20
2006-08-23 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Thanks a lot for the review of the DVD. Now I know for sure that I won't buy it, but will rent it or put it on my Netflix list. I would like to once again point out the fact that WWE has all of this great great footage that they could be putting on DVD (especially for people who don't heva 24/7) but instead they are releasing movies about Vince McMahon and yet another Hulk Hogan anthology. Reason #5.239 I hate WWE these days.

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Re: Good Review
[info]abadguy21
2006-08-24 12:36 am UTC (link)
Couldn't have said it better.

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Re: Good Review - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 01:01 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]scottyhwood, 2006-08-24 01:11 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 03:26 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 01:15 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 03:16 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:24 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 01:29 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:32 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 02:15 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 02:19 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 02:36 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 03:17 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 03:25 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 04:50 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]midnightwritr20, 2006-08-24 03:08 am UTC
Re: Good Review - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 03:16 am UTC

[info]smart007
2006-08-23 06:05 pm UTC (link)
I mean no disrespect to this recapper, but Scott, you MUST to this DVD. It's so much material for you. PLEEEEEEEEASE do it.

Please?

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[info]jag_bjg
2006-08-23 06:23 pm UTC (link)
No, he won't.

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[info]thatnickguy
2006-08-23 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Great review. I'm going to be picking it up if I can find it. I especially want to see the animated map of the territories since some friends and I are creating a tabletop roleplaying game. A lot of the game is based around the territories. If anyone wants to know more about that, fire an e-mail at me or on MSN.

By the way, no review of the extras? Isn't there a buttload of extra matches on there?

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[info]finnmacool
2006-08-23 08:09 pm UTC (link)
A little bit of pee came out laughing so hard at your icon!

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(no subject) - [info]hearmecroon, 2006-08-24 12:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thatnickguy, 2006-08-24 02:21 am UTC
Martel
[info]hsb3
2006-08-23 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Rick Martel could have been world champion!?

That would of been surprising.

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Re: Martel
[info]sideshowshan
2006-08-23 07:10 pm UTC (link)
uh... Rick Martel WAS World Champion! He won the AWA World Title in 1984. At that time the belt actually meant something too!

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Re: Martel - [info]hsb3, 2006-08-23 08:00 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]sideshowshan, 2006-08-23 08:04 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]nps6724, 2006-08-23 09:57 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]invader3k, 2006-08-24 01:31 am UTC
Re: Martel - [info]seanwalsh, 2006-08-23 07:20 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]hsb3, 2006-08-23 08:05 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]jdisbfp, 2006-08-23 08:16 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 12:07 am UTC
Re: Martel - [info]jdisbfp, 2006-08-24 01:46 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 11:12 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]jcdaredevil, 2006-08-23 09:08 pm UTC
Re: Martel - [info]survivorcharlie, 2006-08-24 02:15 am UTC
Re: Martel - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 02:31 am UTC

[info]juices_world
2006-08-23 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I enjoyed the review, but I'm starting to think that all of those people who threw fits months ago when Scott started posting others works were right. I mean, I come here to read Scott's opinions, not anyones. It's one thing to post a link, and add your thoughts, but this posting of entire reviews is kind of weak. Scott doesn't even give his quick thoughts; how am I supposed to know what to think about things? It's kind of sad, but as the WWE product continues to become less and less of a priority for my time, so too do I fear this blog shall become less required reading if this downward trend in relevent content and new material from Scott continues. I know the loss of my readership won't be missed by Mr. Keith, but I really enjoy reading what he writes, and am just disappointed. I actually enjoy his non-wrestling opinions, but even back at TheSmarks, I was choosey on who I read, and I just don't feel that these folks have what Scottman and the gang did; or what those at Wrestleline had.

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[info]scottyhwood
2006-08-23 07:11 pm UTC (link)
It seems as though, at this stage of his life as a writer and a wrestling fan, you'd need a fistful of dollars to see a review of a DVD like this (let alone weekly recaps), unless of course he's feeling generous or doesn't already have other things on the go.

The ECW recaps were nice for those few weeks, though.

Also, this may just be a personal opinion, but I've found the guest recaps to be at the very least competent in recent months. However, I do miss Scotsman.

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This is just the anal-retentive Frenchy in me coming out, but...
[info]scottyhwood
2006-08-23 07:12 pm UTC (link)
Gagne

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Gerweck RULES!!!
[info]elvylanda
2006-08-23 07:15 pm UTC (link)
"- Johnson reports that Matt Striker and Hardcore Holly, who wrestled on last night's ECW house show, are scheduled to be full time members of the ECW roster from now on. The WWE is doing this so that they can phase out and most likley release a few of the original ECW talents that they see nothing in. Those that are currently on the bubble are CW Anderson, Francince, Tony Mamaluke, and Jazz. There is also talk on giving both Al Snow and Steven Richards office jobs.
- Scherer reports as well that Batista is in the process of getting divorced and is now dating Rebecca from this year's Diva Search. Alot of the agents and workers on Smackdown have not been too impressed with Batista's work since his return. The majority feel like he's not even trying at this point." gerweck.net

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Re: Gerweck RULES!!!
[info]seanwalsh
2006-08-23 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I thought CW was doing rather well for his WWE rep on the house show circuit...

And hadn't Snow been the head trainer for OVW or something for the last 2 years or so? Whatever happened to that?

But nice that they'd be keeping Stevie Richards employed somehow. :)

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Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]hsb3, 2006-08-23 08:10 pm UTC
Re: And on that note... - [info]laserninja, 2006-08-23 08:39 pm UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]flipflopnfly, 2006-08-23 08:42 pm UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]fanontheverge, 2006-08-27 06:11 pm UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 12:39 am UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]thesuicidetree, 2006-08-24 01:41 am UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]theblindmouse, 2006-08-24 02:20 am UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 03:19 am UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]theblindmouse, 2006-08-24 03:20 am UTC
Re: Gerweck RULES!!! - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 04:49 am UTC

[info]theberserker
2006-08-23 07:23 pm UTC (link)
Yknow, looking back on that whole Montreal incident now, I just hate both of 'em. A pissy confrontation between 2 petulant children-in-mens-bodies, nothing more. Either side could have acquiesced and not brought about what happened.

Guess Brett doing his DVD and the Hall of Fame appearance is the very extent of his new relationship with Vince. Which sucks, b/c even now, if I can think of one angle that'll make BUKU bucks for WWW, it's a Brett/Vince feud (as much as I'm sick of MacMahons even). Imagine the pop if some masked guy kept sneak attacking/masterminding sneak attacks Vince week after week and then finally unmasking to be Brett. Of course, he'd need to have like a stable of guys, preferably people to get over like Shelton, since he can't do anything physical (and I wouldnt want to see him either) which would be too nWo-ish, but at least it would make sense and have emotional impact to it.

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[info]abadguy21
2006-08-23 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Good thing you're not a booker man.

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[info]fishymcb
2006-08-23 07:25 pm UTC (link)
They show him blow out his quads in both legs at the Royal Rumble getting in the ring. That's the second most hilarious injury ever, behind Hogan blowing out his knee getting off the couch.

Ahem...Kevin Nash.

Otherwise, solid review.

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Hogan too
[info]irishcream_vt
2006-08-23 09:38 pm UTC (link)
That's how Hogan reportedly tore his knee three weeks ago, as well.

Unless you meant "Akeem...Kevin Nash" - then, here you go...



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Re: Hogan too - [info]hsb3, 2006-08-23 11:27 pm UTC
Re: Hogan too - [info]thatnickguy, 2006-08-24 12:07 am UTC
Re: Hogan too - [info]yellowlantern, 2006-08-24 02:47 pm UTC
Match reviews?
[info]fos4545
2006-08-23 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Don't worry guys... I'm back! And to be honest, I really want to see this. Vince is te most interesting person in the WWE now, anyway.

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Re: Match reviews?
[info]canadapjfan
2006-08-23 09:25 pm UTC (link)
He is? If that's true, that's awfully depressing.

As for the review itself, how does anyone think that "Gah-nyeigh" could be spelled "Gange"?

It's G-A-G-N-E, my honky friends!

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Re: Match reviews? - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-23 09:37 pm UTC
Re: Match reviews? - [info]scottyhwood, 2006-08-24 01:17 am UTC
Re: Match reviews? - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:29 am UTC
Re: Match reviews? - [info]drpepper1109, 2006-08-23 09:26 pm UTC

[info]zengoth
2006-08-23 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Bruce Pritchard says McMahon always wanted to be a wrestler...But his dad wouldn't let him be a wrestler, because they were the office and not the talent.

Too bad Vinnie Mac has forgotten this...

Is there any way to revive Mac Sr.?

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[info]hsb3
2006-08-23 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Don't give the WWE any ideas. Last thing we need is the gimmick of a ghost of Vince SR possessing Spirit Squad Mickey.

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(no subject) - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:26 am UTC

[info]hhbx
2006-08-23 10:13 pm UTC (link)
Real solid DVd review, I'm kinda curious in checking this out.

Not buying it mind you, but checking it out through Netflix.

Just curious, but any extras to speak of?

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Vicky Guerrero
[info]rinehart316
2006-08-23 10:43 pm UTC (link)
This week on Smackdown, Vicky Guerrero turns heel on Rey Mysterio. Yep, the worst storyline ever, not only just got worse, but will never end.

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Re: Vicky Guerrero
[info]t0mcruise
2006-08-23 11:56 pm UTC (link)
You're just mad because Barbaro is doing well.

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Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]donaldduck5671, 2006-08-25 01:06 am UTC
Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 12:34 am UTC
Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:21 am UTC
Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 01:27 am UTC
Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:30 am UTC
Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]t0mcruise, 2006-08-24 01:45 am UTC
Re: Vicky Guerrero - [info]donaldduck5671, 2006-08-25 01:08 am UTC
On the other end of the spectrum
[info]rinehart316
2006-08-23 10:48 pm UTC (link)
On 'The Monday Night War' segment of WWE 24/7, we are nearly up to Stone Cold Steve Austin calling out Bret Hart. We're up to September 1996, heading into 'Mind Games: In Your House'. Every wrestling fan needs to spend $7.99 a month and get WWE 24/7, because watching the old RAW and Nitro's in their entirities is awesome. Also, we get Starrcade '85 in it's entirity, and it looks like Starrcade '83 as well. I can't wait to get into 1997 in the Monday Night Wars so I can relive the Hart Foundation vs. Steve Austin feud. It's going to rule all.

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Re: On the other end of the spectrum
[info]vinniezoom
2006-08-24 12:24 am UTC (link)
Every wrestling fan needs to spend $7.99 a month and get WWE 24/7...

Your previous comment about Vicky Guerrero is one of the many reasons why I won't be lining Vince's pockets by getting WWE 24/7, no matter how much I'd like to relive the Monday Night War.

-Vinnie-

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Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 01:19 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]theblindmouse, 2006-08-24 02:23 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-24 02:29 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 03:20 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]rinehart316, 2006-08-24 03:58 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 11:06 pm UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]fos4545, 2006-08-25 12:48 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-25 04:13 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]thesuicidetree, 2006-08-24 01:58 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]vinniezoom, 2006-08-24 04:37 pm UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 11:08 pm UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]jcgiles, 2006-08-24 01:22 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]rinehart316, 2006-08-24 02:08 am UTC
Re: On the other end of the spectrum - [info]jcgiles, 2006-08-24 03:59 am UTC
Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD)
[info]flipflopnfly
2006-08-23 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Match list is out for the Loose Cannon DVD. Check THIS bad boy out:

*Bruce Hart & Brian Pillman vs. Midnight Cowboys 4/23/88 for International tag team titles
*Pillman vs. Lex Luger 10/28/89 Halloween Havoc
*Pillman & Tom Zenk vs. Michael Hayes & Jimmy Garvin 2/12/90
*Pillman & Austin doing "A Flare for the Old" segment on WCW TV
*War Games 1991 with Pillman & Sting & Steiners vs. Four Horsemen
*Pillman vs. Ricky Morton 10/27/91
*Pillman & El Gigante vs. Barry Windham & Arn Anderson 6/12/91 loser leaves town match to lead to the Yellow Dog angle
*Pillman & Windham vs. Johnny Gunn & Zenk 12/26/92
*Pillman & Austin vs. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas 5/23/93
*WCW Thundercage with Pillman & Sting & Dustin Rhodes vs. Paul Orndorff & Austin & rick Rude
*Pillman vs. Jushin Liger from the first mach of the very first episode of Nitro
*Pillman vs. Dean Malenko 1/22/96 Nitro
*Pillman vs. Eddie Guerrero 1/23/96 Clash of Champions (where Pillmans scared Bobby Heenan half to death)
*Pillman vs. Austin 6/16/97 Raw
*7/6/97 Calgary Stampede Hart Foundation vs. Austin & Shamrock & LOD & Goldust (I can tell you from talking to Pillman right after this match ended that this match was the personal highlight of his career)
*Pillman vs. Goldust 9/7/97
*Pillman vs. Liger 2/22/92 SuperBrawl from Milwaukee
These are the dates WWE has listed. I know off the top of my head the SuperBrawl was 2/29/92 so others may be off as well

Everything I wanted (Liger/Pillman, Wargames 1991, Flair for the Old, Canadian Stampede) is on there!

This thing will *ROCK*

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Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD)
[info]t0mcruise
2006-08-23 11:59 pm UTC (link)
Damn, that is a pretty good listing. Much more than I expected.

You know, your subject line sounds like Katie when the Ticking Time Tom is going off inside her.

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Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]awel_cruiz, 2006-08-24 05:42 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]jdisbfp, 2006-08-24 05:42 pm UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]donaldduck5671, 2006-08-25 01:12 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 12:03 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 01:07 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]jcgiles, 2006-08-24 01:19 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]flipflopnfly, 2006-08-24 01:21 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 01:25 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]flipflopnfly, 2006-08-24 01:38 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 02:02 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 02:44 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]jcgiles, 2006-08-24 04:01 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]midnightwritr20, 2006-08-24 03:10 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]abadguy21, 2006-08-24 03:24 am UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]thejawas, 2006-08-24 01:49 pm UTC
Re: Yes! Yes! Yes! (Pillman DVD) - [info]fanontheverge, 2006-08-27 03:20 am UTC

[info]abadguy21
2006-08-24 12:05 am UTC (link)
To me, Vince is like the Paris Hilton of wrestling. She thinks she can act, sing, whatever. Vince has been a commentator, he wrestles, he owns the company and has final say in booking the shows. Pick one fucking thing and stick with it...

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[info]fos4545
2006-08-24 01:34 am UTC (link)
And Vince would probably screw young, attractive men as well. You know, his whole ass-fetish?

Prove me wrong, folks, prove me wrong.

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Review
[info]jcgiles
2006-08-24 01:32 am UTC (link)
I thought this was a pretty good review. I had just got done watching the DVD myself (as I had bought, and even though I will takes tons of crap for this... I thought it was really good. Yeah... clearly rewrote some history and put things in a positive spin, but overall its good.

Did anyone else think it was weird though that there was no finally recap of the review to let us know if the reviewer liked it or not?

For those who asked above, the extras include:

(Disc 1)
6 Stories told by the likes of Big Show and HHH

The "Stand Back" performance from the Slammys (the one DX used recently on Raw)

Vince's training for Royal Rumble 99

Deleted Scenes: like the stories, although they are cut together as though they were to be in the main program

And for matches:
vs. Stone Cold --- Raw 4/13/98 -- The match that let Raw beat Nitro for the first time

Disc 2

Cage Match: vs. Stone Cold --- St. Valentine Day's Massacre

Handicap Ladder Match with Shane vs. Stone Cold --- King of the Ring 99 (this is the match with the mysterious raising briefcase that never went anywhere)

No Holds Barred vs. Triple H --- Armageddon 99

Street Fight vs. Shane --- WrestleMania X7

Street Fight vs. Ric Flair --- Royal Rumble 02 (somewhat of an odd choice, I mean this is a better match but they talk about Zach Gowan and that match in the feature where there is no real mention of this match)

Street Fight vs. Hulk Hogan --- WrestleMania XIX

I Quit Match vs. Stephanie --- No Mercy 03

Buried Alive vs. Undertaker --- Survivor Series 03


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Re: Review
[info]lshunter
2006-08-25 01:26 am UTC (link)
If the only extra stuff (non-matches) is the stuff listed on Disc One, then I'm a tad disappointed. There's been so much Vince-related gold over the years that could be included on the set. Still, I'm definately getting this DVD.

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Re: Review - [info]fanontheverge, 2006-08-27 06:15 pm UTC

[info]extremewarfare
2006-08-24 02:00 am UTC (link)
Thank god someone did this so I don't have to.

D'oh!

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The Review
[info]survivorcharlie
2006-08-24 02:01 am UTC (link)
I wrote the review. Forgive the spelling errors, etc. This was just a quicky review I wrote for Stablewars.com's forum, where we have a Wrestling DVD section. This was a pretty antipated DVD there as we were all curious just how much they would allow people to speak their minds about Vince.

The review doesn't have my final thoughts about it because I also review the matches for Stablewars, which I have not completed yet. But overall, I felt the feature was a letdown. At the end of the day, they had one person in the two hours and nine minutes of the DVD outright say they think McMahon is a scumbag, and that's Greg Gagne (sorry for calling him 'Gange'). Considering the WWE offered an open forum for guys like the Ultimate Warrior and Bad News Allen to say whatever they wanted, I think it's a shame that only Gagne, now working for the WWE in setting up their farm league system, had anything *really* bad to say.

Some facts were fudged, but that's to be expected. Anyone who watched the Monday Night Wars DVD or the Rise & Fall of ECW should have expected it.

But if you throw in the nine matches, one of which isn't a match at all and one of which is an abomination against his daughter, it's a good package. Seven of the matches are lots of fun to watch. I often found myself smiling while watching it. Vince is such a goofball in the ring. Love him or leave him, they are fun matches. Not classics or anything, but fun. So thumbs up!

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Re: The Review
[info]jcgiles
2006-08-24 04:04 am UTC (link)
That makes sense. Yeah, I wished some more people would have said some more "bad" things against Vince, but since all those people work for him and its his company... it wasnt true surprising.

Also, I completly agree with your comment on the matches. They arent ***** dreams or anything.. .but they are usuallly overbooked with tons of weapons and spots, so they are always fun. Actually when any matches is booked with Vince or Shane, I always look forward to it for that reason.

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Not taking credit or anything.....
[info]myfactsareright
2006-08-24 03:21 am UTC (link)
I SWEAR TO GOD, the day on turned on RAW IS WAR in 1998(I hadn't really watched wrestling since late 96.) was the one where RAW finally beat Nitro in the ratings.

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Re: Not taking credit or anything.....
[info]acwwhitechoco
2006-08-24 06:18 am UTC (link)
Who gives a shit?

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Re: Not taking credit or anything..... - [info]myfactsareright, 2006-08-25 05:49 pm UTC
Re: Not taking credit or anything..... - [info]xotticus, 2006-08-24 04:27 pm UTC
Extra - Vs Hogan WM19
[info]drpepper1109
2006-08-24 06:48 am UTC (link)
I didn't like that they dubbed over Hulk's Hendrix theme with Real American. It was so fake and the crowd noise with it to drown out Vodoo Child was crappy!

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Music clearance...ain't it a bitch?
[info]james_fabiano
2006-08-25 02:02 am UTC (link)
Unfortunately that is a widespread problem with DVDs and mass media in general. Heck it's why we may never see a WKRP In Cincinatti box set (unless you want the crappy generic music/dubbed lines versions seen on Nick at Nite, you know, when they showed stuff from before the '80s). Fortunately there is a place where you can sound off about this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stopthemonster

Hope to see you there...

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Re: Music clearance...ain't it a bitch? - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-25 04:22 am UTC
Re: Extra - Vs Hogan WM19 - [info]fanontheverge, 2006-08-27 06:14 pm UTC

[info]abadguy21
2006-08-24 12:22 pm UTC (link)
To all the people who were thinking ECW tapings would eventually become permanently separate from Smackdown, well it sounds like that won't be until after January.

They had announced about two weeks ago we'd get a RAW House Show on Friday, Sept. 29th, (on sale this Saturday) and the radio stations I work for were already doing their usual week before giveaway. Today's paper says the RAW show has been moved to January 9th and will now be an ECW/Smackdown taping (tickets on sale Sept. 9th.)

When I enjoyed WWE it was rare that they came here...now that I don't care for their product, they come here 2 times a year.

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[info]tafka_byanney
2006-08-24 01:48 pm UTC (link)
What does Taz do when SD and ECW run separate buildings?

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Nothing - [info]lolkoreanwar, 2006-08-24 05:49 pm UTC
Re: Nothing - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-24 09:27 pm UTC
Re: Nothing - [info]irvc225, 2006-08-25 02:31 am UTC
Re: Nothing - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-25 04:21 am UTC
Re: Nothing - [info]drpepper1109, 2006-08-25 06:38 am UTC
Re: Nothing - [info]tafka_byanney, 2006-08-25 07:24 am UTC
Re: Nothing - [info]irvc225, 2006-08-25 06:29 pm UTC

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