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Date: 2006-02-28 12:48
Subject: The 24 thread
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As much as I hate to say this, this show is treading water this season at a rapid rate, with a storyline that is going nowhere and Jack getting beat up by every two-bit villain they throw at him. I mean, c'mon, he willingly walks into a room with a guy who unabashedly hates him after the guy says "Nothing gets in or out"? Who didn't see THAT betrayal coming? Sure, Jack v. Robocop is good for a nice fight, but they either need to USE the nerve gas or have CTU find it and move on already. And Lynn McGill turned into a total cartoon character after a nice buildup, but at least Buchanan is running the show again.

It's my favorite show, but it's testing my patience this season.
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User: kitt9580
Date: 2006-02-28 19:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"Nothing gets in or out"? Who didn't see THAT betrayal coming?

Point taken, thusly the best quote of the night by Jack was "How could I be so stupid?" 2 hours next week, hopefully things will pick up.
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User: mdwiffle
Date: 2006-02-28 20:26 (UTC)
Subject: Moron
Once again Skeith shows he knows NOTHING
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User: laztboyscout
Date: 2006-02-28 19:20 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Shield Scott, The Shield.
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 20:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'll second that. While 24 started great and then has gradually declined (but is still one of the best shows on TV), The Shield started off great, slowed down a bit in the 3rd season, then came back like a fucking runaway train in season 4 and hasn't looked back.
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User: paradolex
Date: 2006-02-28 19:31 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I wouldn't exactly call Jack's mentor some "2 bit villian". I didn't see the betrayal coming. I dum. :-(

Maybe it's because the vague spoilers I heard had Robocop and Bauer teaming up.

Anyhow, I don't think it's treading water at all. Robocop fucks over Jack, the fat Hobbit goes apeshit, and Pussy President is "at a loss for words."

Great stuff.
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User: wantedbadass
Date: 2006-02-28 19:41 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Don't forget Agent Pierce being totally badass by taking out two terrorists after almost being blown up by a bazooka.

So, who's the top dog now? Robocop or the guy threatening the President directly?

Also, where the hell is Kim? Doesn't she check her phone messages? DAMMIT!
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User: slacker317
Date: 2006-02-28 20:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Maybe Kim finally found a real 9-5 job that requires being at work and not being kidnapped every couple of hours. And since it IS now 5:00 PM, she should (and as you saw if you watched the scenes from next week's 24) respond.

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User: dolphin_jer13
Date: 2006-02-28 20:20 (UTC)
Subject: Aaron Pearce is our GOD!
Yeah, Aaron taking out the terrorists was pretty awesome.
Curtis taking a stand was pretty cool, but Rudy's nonsensical meltdown really hurt Curtis' moment.
Putting the plot aside, which has been pretty lame and predictable since the great first 4 episodes, the HUGE problem 24 has this season is the lousy characters they've introduced and lack of development for others. With Jack and Tony being the exceptions, only Chloe and Bill Buchanon have developed as characters we care about and like.
The President is a complete wimp, and the creators just keep HAMMERING home the point that he's a pussy so much that it's painful to watch the scenes with him. There's no reason to watch his scenes or care about what he says.
Mike Novick is just pathetic now. How in the hell could he organize the revolt against Palmer is season 2, but put up with Logan's shit?? It makes no sense.
Rudy turned into freakin' Yosemite Sam at the end. His storyline is dead now, and anything they do with him now won't mean anything.
What the hell happened to Wayne Palmer, and the Palmer connection to all this?
They got off to such a brilliant start this year, but it's pretty obvious they blew their load in the first 15 minutes. If there's a season 6, they HAVE to switch it up. Maybe go outside of LA, for starter's.
I love this show. Like Scott, it's my favorite, but they need an infusion of creativity STAT!
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 20:22 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Aaron's defense of the first lady and the Ruskies, combined with Curtis stepping up and bitchslapping the hobbit into a detaining room made for a better epsiode than we've seen lately.

As for Lynn's character... I don't remember what his background was (if they ever gave it) but it seems that he's a middle-management dolt that got where he was not by experience but by kissing ass and being a "yes man." He was thoroughly incapable of handling a crisis and fell apart. What's worse, though, is that it took so long for anyone to do something about it.

Next week is the 2 hour extravaganza, which will close out the first half of the season. Expect to see most of the current plot lines wrapped up, and a shitload of new ones get seeded.
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User: jdisbfp
Date: 2006-02-28 20:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think the best part about Lynn going nuts and being removed from his post is that he was going nuts because he suspected everyone was keeping things from him, and they removed him from his job because that made him crazy.

Except, of course, that he was right and basically everyone in the office knew Jack was following a lead and were keeping it from him.
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The Gospel according to St. Bastard
User: jesterstear
Date: 2006-02-28 21:30 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Yeah, but they were keeping things from him because he was an incompetent twit that was completely unprepared to lead in a crisis situation.
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-02-28 21:13 (UTC)
Subject: Treading water?
I think the season is going great! Yeah, every episode isn't it's own mini-movie, but I think that's because we've been more spoiled in the past at times.

I think this is a great 'real' season. The threat is real, and the terrorists are SMART. Christ, what do you want from them? Their target was RUSSIA, and they said over and over again they didn't want to use it against the USA. So the one guy took an entire episode finding another way to use them/their codes, which was real and cool. They weren't able to just go "Ah, they changed the triggers, quick, switch that wire and let's move!" in 3 minutes.

Also, the last episode was INTENSE. So little Jack, yet some of the best "What'll happen?" stuff as you really don't know with this show whether or not they'd kill the Russian Prez + the first lady. It was very cool, especially the CTU stuff.

I didn't see the betrayal coming, which doesn't make anyoen stupid, they built it up perfectly to make it so obvious that eventually you believed the guy, as did Jack, then said "Ah, how could I have been so stupid" along with Jack as well.

NOW there's Jack's mentor, as well as these Russian terrorists who are finally going to turn the gas on the USA. Seriously, anyone who's complaining about the pace of this season has some serious issues with ADD. Calm down and enjoy a slow threat instead of...

*Done in one hour*
"Crap, they foiled us...luckily, even though we planned an attack on Russia, we have 2 nukes to use on the USA now!"
"Crap, well at least back up plan 3 against the USA in case our ORIGINAL plan against Russia was foiled, and yada yada yada, can come into play now..."

The threat was never against the USA, and it was always about the terrorists figuring out how to use the gas as they PLANNED years for, against Russia. Now that all their options there have been foiled, they're pissed and ready to attack the USA.

God, I highly prefer this writing over them grasping for action/attention of the viewers and having nine different threats come from these terrorists who never intended to attack the States in the first place.
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User: brak_attack
Date: 2006-03-01 04:27 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Treading water?
I gotta say, I agree with you. I may be misremembering things, but last year wasn't the whole thing with arming like every single nuclear warhead in the country just a decoy for something significantly less threatening? It seems to me when they have all these false threats and such, the end result just seems so relatively minimal.
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Cheesemon: Hulk Hogan - So whatcha gonna do?
User: cheesemon
Date: 2006-02-28 21:25 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Hulk Hogan - So whatcha gonna do?
Scott, I'm now 100% sure that you've forgotten how to change userpics. Otherwise, I don't know what possessed you to choose HHH-wins-da-belt over your 24 userpic for a 24 thread.
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User: starvenger
Date: 2006-02-28 21:38 (UTC)
Subject: Don't worry...
...because if my eyes weren't deceiving me during the "next week's preview" it looks like Jack's running buddy will be oot and aboot.
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User: paradolex
Date: 2006-02-28 22:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Season 4 made me want to die inside.

The only complaint I have about this season is that they've sorta fully abandoned the real time time concept.

Jack was pretty much MIA for the entire episode. You're telling me it took him and Robocop 40 minutes to walk from duder's office to the IT area?

I thought it was interesting that Jack was pretty much not in this episode. Maybe they're trying to see how the show runs if, say, Jack wasn't around. I have to admit, I didn't really miss Jack between the CTU and President drama.

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User: dukedevils9192
Date: 2006-02-28 23:24 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The Fox gods are pissed because you've quit talking about House, a show that's had somewhere around a zillion awesome episodes lately.
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User: _unsung_hero_
Date: 2006-02-28 23:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think that this season has been pretty solid. Last season's "I kidnapped the DoD to distract you from me causing nuclear meltdowns which was a distraction to me stealing this nuclear missile which was.... etc, etc" kinda boggled the suspension of disbelief a bit. One consistent ongoing plotline isn't bad.

So far this season, we've had Keifer (Stand By Me), Astin (Goonies), Haysbert (Major League), and Weller (RoboCop). Next week ****SPOILER**** C. Thomas Howell (Red Dawn/ Outsiders) joins the cast. Who's next? Judd Nelson? Swayze?
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User: rockmehardplace
Date: 2006-03-01 04:22 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
"I kidnapped the DoD to distract you from me causing nuclear meltdowns which was a distraction to me stealing this nuclear missile which was.... etc, etc" kinda boggled the suspension of disbelief a bit. One consistent ongoing plotline isn't bad."

SO true! That's the best description of last season. It WORKED, as I loved last season, but it's true, it was just...so...well planned it was unbelievable.

As I stated above, this season rocks because it's so real...the threats seem real, the terrorists act real, Jack's been more real, and the fact that the initial threat was never ON the States, the drawn out process of this one threat is just awesome.
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User: cwsmark55
Date: 2006-02-28 23:57 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I question Scott being a real fan of 24 in the first place. Last night's was one of the best hours in 24 history and it didn't even Jack that much. There was enough tension going on that I was on the edge of my seat.

What makes this season excellent is that they've given us enough reason to care about things that don't involve Jack. It allows them to do more than just rely on Jack shooting and killing people.

I'm going to have to chaulk this up to the internet people being their usual bastard selves :)
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User: hammer1
Date: 2006-03-01 02:18 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I don't know about questioning Scott's "24" fanhood, but I do agree with you on Sunday's episode. I loved it.

Logan is such a great character. I love the periodic Mike Novick "how the hell did this guy get to be president" looks. I want Mike to either physically or verbally slap him. Mike's got to be thinking the first lady has more balls than her husband.

McGill acting all paranoid was great also. I hope he isn't gone for good. He adds a lot of tension at CTU. We can only hope eventually Jack will have to execute him to appease the terrorists like that other "by the book" bastard in earlier seasons (Chappelle was his name?)

Do you get the feeling if Chloe asked Edgar to do pretty much anything (steal data, hide something, kill Jack), he would do it for her. :-)
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User: kinyo316
Date: 2006-03-01 04:36 (UTC)
Subject: Prayer in 24
I'm suprised that nobody was offended or deeply hurt by the president praying during this weeks episode. I can't believe that Gomezticator hasn't posted a message about how he is now banning 24 because he was scared by the people praying in the episode. Talk about religious politics.
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The Madman Jack
User: cactusfan04
Date: 2006-03-01 05:34 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Prayer in 24
Y'know, I'm even more surprised that no one pointed out that they're hammering home the fact that Logan, no matter what party he is, is pretty much a spot-on impersonation of George W. Bush, at least in personality. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Dubya'd sell out Putin at the drop of a hat, in a similar situation; and if Laura decided to tag along with the Putins to the airport, he'd just put it in God's hands and pray, as opposed to backing off of his stupid plan to appease the terrorists that aren't gonna kill any of us, except that they did already, but they promised to be nice this time. (And DEAR GOD, every decision he makes is those seven minutes in microcosm. You know, the 7 minutes that would've given Dick Cheney the Oval Office if the terrorists had any intel on where George was that day? It's painful to watch once an episode, but didn't we get three or four on Monday?)
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